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Re: 1861 look-up please - Elizabeth Sedman (nee Holdgate)
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 30 August 07 13:55 BST (UK) »
Well, that HAS to be George's wife; there ain't gonna be any other Marwins, I don't think!  :D

Also ... neglected to tell you that I found a birth for Ann, although she is Anne Holdgate - registered 1838, March 1/4, Pickering, vol 24 page 355

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Re: 1861 look-up please - Elizabeth Sedman (nee Holdgate)
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 30 August 07 14:09 BST (UK) »
Well have patience and I'll see what I can find.

I'm assuming, because of George Snr's birthplace that this might be son John, but see he has somebody with him!
1851
Hazel House, Ebberston, Yorkshire
Farmer William Pearson, wife Betsey, children and servants including
Edward Holgate Servant Unm 17 Ag Lab Yorkshire Kirby Moorside
John Holgate Servant Unm 15 AG Lab Yorkshire Pickering.
HO107; Piece: 2373; Folio: 357; Page: 9
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Re: 1861 look-up please - Elizabeth Sedman (nee Holdgate)
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 30 August 07 14:21 BST (UK) »
I assume you have the marriage -
George Holdgate married Marwin Dennis 20 July 1833 Pickering

which does just about give time for a birth of Edward before John ......

Up to you to confirm all this, but assuming that he is another child, this is the 1861 census for him

Wretton, Yorkshire
Farmer John Atkinson and his wife Sarah, with children, including
Edward Holdgate Son in Law Mar 27 General Servant Yorkshire Kirbymoorside
Hannah Wife M 28 House keeper Yorkshire Rosedale
Betsy daur 5 Scholar Yorkshire Wretton
RG9; Piece: 3642; Folio: 134; Page: 5
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Re: 1861 look-up please - Elizabeth Sedman (nee Holdgate)
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 30 August 07 14:29 BST (UK) »
1861 - don't know why I didn't just look for this in first place.

Malton Gate, Farmaby, Yorkshire
George Marwin Holgate Wife Mar 49 Stone Mason's Wife Yorkshire Kirbymoorside
Margaret daur S 17 Yorkshire Farmanby
Mary Jane daur 9 " "
RG9; Piece: 3644; Folio: 40; Page: 6

Well at least we know George should still be around
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Re: 1861 look-up please - Elizabeth Sedman (nee Holdgate)
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 30 August 07 14:34 BST (UK) »
1861
2 Pultons Buildings, York St John Micklegate
Stonemason Robert Palliser and his Wife Hannah with a couple of visitors and lodgers including
George Holgate Lodger Mar 50 Stone Mason Pickering Yorkshire
RG9; Piece: 3547; Folio: 86; Page: 27

Now there's something to look into - was there something big that he was hired to help build?
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Re: 1861 look-up please - Elizabeth Sedman (nee Holdgate)
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 30 August 07 14:41 BST (UK) »
Well all of this checking with her family was to see whether Elizabeth was with any of them, but none of this has found her.
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Re: 1861 look-up please - Elizabeth Sedman (nee Holdgate)
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 30 August 07 15:26 BST (UK) »
No worries, Mary - you've done a STERLING job!

She'll be out there ... somewhere ... hiding ...  >:(

Have a drink on me!  ;D

MT ;)
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PASHBY in Scarborough, Levisham, and outlying area
SEDMAN in Scarborough, Scalby, Everley and Hackness
BIRD in Easington, Patrington, Sculcoates and Hull
DOBSON in Edinburgh, Wakefield, York and Scarborough
SUTTON in Wintringham and Scarborough
ROSS in Edinburgh and outlying districts

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Re: 1861 look-up please - Elizabeth Sedman (nee Holdgate)
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 30 August 07 18:33 BST (UK) »
I assume you have the marriage -
George Holdgate married Marwin Dennis 20 July 1833 Pickering

which does just about give time for a birth of Edward before John ......

Up to you to confirm all this, but assuming that he is another child, this is the 1861 census for him

Wretton, Yorkshire
Farmer John Atkinson and his wife Sarah, with children, including
Edward Holdgate Son in Law Mar 27 General Servant Yorkshire Kirbymoorside
Hannah Wife M 28 House keeper Yorkshire Rosedale
Betsy daur 5 Scholar Yorkshire Wretton
RG9; Piece: 3642; Folio: 134; Page: 5

I've also found an Edward Holdgate in 1881, born in Kirkbymoorside, 1834, but he has a wife called Elizabeth (nee Otterburn)

Can't find a birth for an Edward to George and Marwin though; it seems that they didn't make a habit of registering their children, as so far I've only found Ann in 1838.  :(

MT ;)
Researching ...
PASHBY in Scarborough, Levisham, and outlying area
SEDMAN in Scarborough, Scalby, Everley and Hackness
BIRD in Easington, Patrington, Sculcoates and Hull
DOBSON in Edinburgh, Wakefield, York and Scarborough
SUTTON in Wintringham and Scarborough
ROSS in Edinburgh and outlying districts

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Re: 1861 look-up please - Elizabeth Sedman (nee Holdgate)
« Reply #17 on: Friday 31 August 07 13:10 BST (UK) »
I have Elizabeth's brother in Lilic Cottage, Yedingham, Yorkshire
Working for farmer William Green are a number of servants including
James Holdgate Servant Unm 17 Ploughboy Yorkshire Thornton
RG9; Piece: 3623; Folio: 63; Page: 2

I have also found him in 1881, where he is married, viz ...

North Farm, Broxa, North Yorks.
James HOLGATE   Head   M   Male   37   Thornton, York, England   Lab In Woods (Man)     
Mary HOLGATE   Wife   M   Female   36   Hackness, York, England   

1881 RG11/4807 folio 10 page 12


Also found the christening, with the ubiquitous mis-spellings!  ::)

IGI christening, Ellerburn, North Yorks., 15th June 1842 James Holgate (sic), son of George Holgate (sic) and Mawin (sic)

MT ;)
Researching ...
PASHBY in Scarborough, Levisham, and outlying area
SEDMAN in Scarborough, Scalby, Everley and Hackness
BIRD in Easington, Patrington, Sculcoates and Hull
DOBSON in Edinburgh, Wakefield, York and Scarborough
SUTTON in Wintringham and Scarborough
ROSS in Edinburgh and outlying districts

Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk