WILDMAN/TYLER

[bedfordshire boy]

Adds up! Mind you, I've never heard of Bolnhurst-on-Sea!!!

Which makes it even more vital to get the birth cert to see what can be learnt about the father.

David

[sam wildman]

hi my husband is related to the wildmans/ tylers from this area i have some info on this line and missing bit to as i dont think they baptised all there children as for the change in name i can only think it to do with an illagtement child some where as dueing this time it was law to register a child born out of marriage in mothers name  sam

[bedfordshire boy]

I think somewhere in this thread we thought that nonconformity came into it, which might explain the missing baptisms.

The Wildman or Tyler name was spread over a period of 150 years in three or so parishes, so I don't think it can be explained away by a single illegitimacy.

After 1837 an illegitimate child was usually registered in the mother's name, unless the father accompanied the mother to register the birth, in which case both names were usually put in the register. So an illegitimate child could take the father's name.

But many of these Wildman or Tylers were recorded in parish registers throughout the 1700s, so there's got to be a reason going back possibly to the late 1600s for the dual name.

David

[sam wildman]

possibale i found this poed up in my own line with a diffrent name

[TylerNZ]

Hi People,

I have come across the Tyler-Wildman name in my search for my ancestors, but till now had discounted it .... but .... in hindsight there may be a link.

I have traced my line back to Greenwich in the 1830s to Thomas Tyler, a chimney sweep who died in 1835 (I think). Anyway the interesting thing is that one of his sons, John, immigrated to New Zealand under the name of John Tyler WHITEMAN.

I can not find any further ancestors for Thomas and the earliest info I have about him is that he married an Ann White in Lambeth Surrey in 1821. It is probable that he was born in 1801

I believe that Thomas had two older brothers Benjamin and John as all three lived in the same area around Greenwich and all were chimney sweeps. Does any of this ring any bells with anyone?

It's a long shot I know, but it is one possibilty for where Whiteman name came from.


Fran in NZ

[bedfordshire boy]

The Wildman alias Tyler name in just a few Bedfordshire villages goes back at least until the early 1700s, so I don't think there's a connection to your Whiteman Tyler name.

Tyler was a pretty widespread name in England

David

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        My goodness me , all that info !!!!
        Ta muchly, I only had a quick read so far, I will settle in the new
day and digest things more slowly. ( I live in gods country , you see)

I noticed you have the Prs for Riseley, I gather you cant put me out of my misery and find the BP of Bertie Wildman. Is there two of them? I only discovered the two in 1911 when I was checking my records for you.
Could his parents have just listed him being home when he wasn't?
Sigh..................
Ta ta for your help
Cheers
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[bedfordshire boy]

Every time I think this thread is dead it resurrects itself!

Can you tell us a bit more about the two Bertie Wildmans you've found, and what it is you need checking. The Riseley PRs referred to are probably the transcript, which only go up to 1812

David

Just found your thread on the Northants board which fills us in a bit. I'll take a look later today.

It's quite possible that his parents included him on their census return as that's where he usually lived, but he just happened to be visiting in Oundle on census night where he was also included, so appears twice in the census.