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Re: WILDMAN/TYLER
« Reply #72 on: Friday 19 September 08 12:58 BST (UK) »
Shirle;  If David finds a link then that's your theory blown - he lives in France

Do you have any idea where James was born ? about 1791 -
he wasn't baptised in Riseley 

I will look at Ravensden PR at the library tomorrow morning

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Re: WILDMAN/TYLER
« Reply #73 on: Friday 19 September 08 14:27 BST (UK) »
Sorry John, I do remember David living in France. I wasn't thinking when put post to Mark.  Its very late over here & brain is frazzled.   :)   We had established somewhere that James wasn't baptised in Riseley perhaps Ravensden or Radwell.  The only way to link would be to find both baptisms of James and William is that right? 
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Re: WILDMAN/TYLER
« Reply #74 on: Friday 19 September 08 15:19 BST (UK) »
What's wrong with checking the IGI on www.familysearch.org, which is available online in England, France and Australia?

There's a William Wildman baptised in Ravensden on 12 June 1791, son  of George and Ann, which might be him, but he seems on the young side to have married in 1808.
There was also an Ann Skinner Wildman, dau of the same couple, baptised in 1792, which may be a clue as to Ann, but I can't find a marriage for George and Ann.

However there are burials of
George 25 Jan 1793
Ann 2 Feb 1793
Anne Skinner 21 Feb 1793
William 23 Nov 1797
which may have been the entire family, but it would take the parish register transcript to confirm it. The transcript is available for purchase from either Beds FHS or BLARS. I think this William might be a red herring.

There's also a William Wildman age 62 buried at Ravensden on 8 Jun 1830, but I can't see a burial of Sarah, nor can I see her in a census. He appears to have been baptised in Ravensden on 29 May 1768, son of Edward & Mary. I wonder though if the 13 Sept 1808 marriage to Sarah Houghton may have been a second marriage for William, as there's a marriage in Ravensden on 25 May 1800 William Wildman/Ann Ravens and a burial of Ann Wildman on 27 May 1808. William and Ann baptised a number of children 15 Jun 1802-1 May 1808 in Ravensden. This would make William rather older than envisaged, and I suspect he was the William baptised 1768.


There were numerous Wildmen in Ravensden, so there's no reason that there should be a link with Riseley. Because he wasn't baptised in Riseley, despite being born there, doesn't mean he has to have been baptised elsewhere. He might not have been baptised at all. My understanding of the Riseley James Wildman was that he was possibly of non-conformist stock, which is why a baptism may not be found

In the 1803 Muster Roll there's only one mention of a Wildman in Ravensden - Edward who owned 1 cart, 2 horses and 1 driver.  But there's a William Whiteman, tradesman, class 4 (unmarried men 50-55; married men over 30, married men 17-30 with more than 2 children under 10) which may be an error for Wildman. If it was really William Wildman he would have fitted in class 4 - married man over 30.

Virtually all of Beds baptisms and marriages pre 1812 have been extracted onto the IGI, so it is patently not the case that "research that far back is impossible online". Most of the above was done online. Of course information from the IGI should ideally be checked against the parish register, microfilm copies of which can be viewed at your nearest LDS Family History Centre, as the register will often include additional information

David

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Re: WILDMAN/TYLER
« Reply #75 on: Saturday 20 September 08 07:00 BST (UK) »
1871
24 High St, Bolnhurst
Thomas Wildman head marr 56 ag lab b Ravensden
Ann Wildman wife 53 b Bolnhurst

From FreeBMD (also online) I did find a marriage of Thomas Wildman to Ann Lovel in Jul/Sept 1840 Bedford RD 6/33.   This is verified by the 1861 census entry as the mother in law is with the family..

1861 Street, Bolnhurst
Thomas 47 & wife Ann 43 
Harriott 18, Charles 13, Samuel 11, John 8 - all born Bolnhurst
+ Hannah Lovell age 64, mother, widow born Thurleigh

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Re: WILDMAN/TYLER
« Reply #76 on: Saturday 20 September 08 15:45 BST (UK) »
To give added value to David's last posting, from the Ravensden parish records.

William Wildman was a widower when he married Sarah Houghton, spinster on 13/9/1808 (blimey it's just been their 200th anniversary - what do you get for that)

Well David,
point 1; you say he seems a bit on the young side, consider the bride Sarah, she was baptised 19 June 1791 making her around 18, daughter of Jonathan & Eliz.

point 2: it's not his 2nd marriage - it's his 3rd, as when he married Ann Ravens on 25 May 1800 he was a widower.

The burial on 27 May 1808 was Ann, wife of William Wildman.

I suspect he was previously married to Elizabeth Westly on 7 Jan 1798 at Ravensden.

Burial on 10 April 1799 of Eliz, wife of William Wildman.

Also burial on 7 Sept 1800 of Ann Wildman, daughter of William & Eliz (his late wife).
 Ann was baptised 7 Apr 1799. 

Going back to the top... George WILEMAN, bach of Ravensden married Ann Skinner at Renhold on 11 Nov 1788. The banns are in the Ravensden PR in 1788. George on William's baptism & on his marriage is stated to be a labourer, but on his burial in 1793 he's a carpenter.

Other burials,
Ann is a widow
Ann Skinner is daughter to George (carpenter) & Ann
William is son of William Wildman & Eliz Westley before they were married.   
 
Also one last bit,

there is a baptism on 19 Nov 1769 of Frances daughter of John & Sarah Tyler alias Wildman

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Re: WILDMAN/TYLER
« Reply #77 on: Saturday 20 September 08 16:10 BST (UK) »
Lots of good stuff there John.

So although William  baptised 1791 wasn't the one who was buried in 1797, he couldn't have been the William, widower, who married in 1808, so he can definitely be ruled out. I think that leaves the field clear for the 1798, 1800, and 1808 marriages to be those of William baptised 1768

Interesting that the Tyler alias Wildman, or vice versa, name also crops up in Ravensden.

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Re: WILDMAN/TYLER
« Reply #78 on: Thursday 30 October 08 11:38 GMT (UK) »
Thomas is a bit of a mystery, as he never appears on a census with his parents, always his grandfather:

1871
24 High St, Bolnhurst
Thomas Wildman head marr 56 ag lab b Ravensden
Ann Wildman wife 53 b Bolnhurst
Charles Wildman son unmarr 23 ag lab b Bolnhurst
Benjamin Wildman son unmarr 21 ag lab b Bolnhurst
John Wildman son unmarr 18 ag lab b Bolnhurst
Thomas Wildman grandson 3 b Bolnhurst

1881 see transcript on www.familysearch.org

1891
High St, Bolnhurst
Thomas Wildman head widower 77 ag lab b Ravensden
Thomas Wildman grandson 23 ag lab b Bolnhurst

There's a birth on http://freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl of a Thomas Wildman in Bedford registration district in Sept quarter 1867. If you order the certificate from the GRO this will give you his parents, as his baptism doesn't show on the IGI

David




Just a quick update, Thomas lives with his grandparents because his father ?? was in the Navy, where his mother is I've yet to establish. Must get those certificates ordered.

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Re: WILDMAN/TYLER
« Reply #79 on: Thursday 30 October 08 11:49 GMT (UK) »
Interesting!

Where does that information come from Mark?

I didn't realise we even had a name for his father yet?
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Re: WILDMAN/TYLER
« Reply #80 on: Thursday 30 October 08 12:50 GMT (UK) »
That came from a long almost fogotten memory of a conversation with my Grandfather Horace, Thomas's son.
It acually came back to me when I was visiting my mother who has many models made by Thomas's father while at sea, then it dawned on me that that would be the reason Thomas is on the Census returns as living with his Grandfather.