WILDMAN/TYLER

[Dale]

Kia Ora All
Delighted to see the Beds Boy again raising his head and better make the most of it as a certain World Cup is about to start & we'll all be fighting cat & dog!

Thanks for the alert JP & nice to see you're continuing the battle Shirle!

I have a copy of the marriage entry at Riseley of Susannah Fair(e)y to William Wildman alias Tyler.

I have been told that the surname can be interpreted as an early bastardy  where the family did not want either name to be lost because of possible inheritance claims!  Me, I know nothing, cos it seems everyone just claims domestic purposes benefits these days!

Now William & Susannah (bap 1791 Riseley) married 13 October 1812 at Riseley  and had

Esther 18 April 1813 bap Riseley Wildman or Tyler (!!)
George 22 June 1815 bap Riseley ***
Sarah bap 26 November 1815 Riseley (Wildman !) died 1 Jan 1822 or at least was buried then!

*** is attributed to parents William & Susannah on the BVRI but doesn't show on the LDS online site!

BUT in 1841 George is living next door to Esther (sister) and her husband Isaac Flavell who married in Blestoe 16 October 1832.

In 1841 William  & Susannah had an  11 year old daughter (?) living with them in Riseley - I cannot find a baptism for her anywhere.

Susannah was buried 24 May and William 4 June 1848 at Riseley.
Mary disppears from the radar - so was she living with W & S in 1841 for some reason?  Susannah was a midwife  so maybe adopted her?

I'm convinced of a connection to JPs Mary and a connection to Bletsoe and surprised that W & S had so few children and also suspect that some of the other children baptised to a W & S may be theirs but in another village!

The Wyman/Whyment pops up all over the place as boarders with Fairey descendants  or living next door over decades but I have seen it as a separate name from the Wildman clan!

Go on shoot holes in my Fairy tree!

Anyone got the BVRI mine has holes in it 
Regards
Marlene

[bedfordshire boy]

Hi Marlene

I've not been away! Other than for the odd week either when I've been visiting relatives, or when UK citizens have looked to escape the rain and have descended on me! I think this World Cup we're going to give one of the other teams a chance to win the cup.

I have the BVRI if you need anything specific checked - mine have got holes in too, but just a circular one in the middle which I understand to be deliberate

All the best

David

[Dale]

Tena Koe David!
I Knew you were around from another alias (dirty word)  on another site!

If you wouldn't mind could you double check George circa 1815 and whether there is a baptism for a Mary circa 1830 just so there is a record here for JP & Shirle?

My BVRI has been thrashed I'm afraid & the Fair(e)y section has deeper grooves than usual! Funny I have the hole in the middle too!

The All Blacks have flown out & are supposedly heading for Corsica - no idea why!

Don't forget to go to Paris and see our rugby ball in front of the Eyeful Tower!
Cheers
The Kiwi Kid

[bedfordshire boy]

Hi Marlene

This is my only alias! The other boards are me - "David" with a giveaway email if you know I live in Carcassonne!

The All Blacks have gone to Corsica because there are loads of sheep there (make good cheese - sheep milk, not all-black milk!) and it makes them feel at home. I wouldn't go to Paris to see an English rugby ball, let alone a kiwi one (in fact I wouldn't even cross the road to see either!)

The BVRI baptisms are as you give for Esther, George and Sarah - George must have been a late baptism as his birth must have been Dec 1814 latest.

There are no Mary Wildman or Mary Tyler baptised 1830. Marys/Marias baptised in Riseley 1829-31 (all were 1829 or 1830) were Baker/Cooper/Dickens/Dennis/Langley/Sharman. I can see Baker, Cooper, Dennis and Langley in 1841 so if she was born in Riseley she may have been one of the other two. Do either of the names ring a Wildman bell?

Regards

David

[johnP-bedford]

... but I'm sure I've seen the baptism on 10/10/1830 at Bletsoe of Mary Wildman, daughter of James Wildman & Catherine (Bell).  She married Joseph P in 1850 so she ought to be somwewhere on 1841. 

John P alas no alias
 

[Dale]

Ok Fellas this is my beauty sleep time & ye gods it's needed!
 
JP- I reckon she IS the Mary who is with William & Susannah in 1841 - maybe it was school hols

If she belonged to W & S she was a (very) late baby commonly called an afterthought?

Had anything dramatic happened to James & Catherine  that she might have been sent to the Aunt & Uncle nearby? I understand Bletsoe is only a couple of miles from Riseley?

David, firstly I suppose you are a round ball man and then I have to say our sheep population has dwindled considerably as Dairy products are making us a mint at present!

So from now on it has to be cow jokes! And we already know all the ones about their flatulence causing air pollution!
A very tired Kiwi is now taking the body to the spa & byes!
Ka kite ano
See ya tomorrow! Or later today!
Marlene

[bedfordshire boy]

Sorry John, I should have made it clear that I was only looking in Riseley - Bletsoe isn't on the BVRI. If you can't see her in Bletsoe in 1841 then the Riseley Mary looks as though it should be her. As her mother died in 1839 that's possibly the reason she was boarded out with relatives

David

[johnP-bedford]

... so what is the relationship between William Wildman b 1787 Bletsoe ? (married Susannah Fairey)  &  James Wildman b 1791 Riseley (married Catherine Bell)

[shirle]

1841 Riseley census Dist 2; Page 6
Elizabeth Wildman 20
George Wildman 25 Cordwainer
and they lived next door to
William & Sarah Wildman, both 50 as well as Mary Wildman11

1841 Bletsoe Village Dist 4; Page 2
John Smith 40 Ag Lab
Martha Smith 40 Lacemaker
William Smith 11 Ag Lab
Mary Smith 7
Ann Wildman 15 Lacemaker

1851 Ann Wildman is still living in the same household and is listed as Neice

Shirley

After Catherine died could the children have been sent to live with relatives