Edward LUGG Born 1798 Ruan

[krisesjoint]

OK, found cbcarolyn's earlier thread re Henry. Given the witness and address on the marriage cert it does seem the family we have been looking at is likely to be Henry's family. I see Henry with the Oppy family in 1841 a few properties from Edward and Juliana. Occupation shopkeeper pretty different but other factors do seem to fit this family. Perhaps he was a shopkeeper for a while in between censuses 

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,113604.msg502201.html

Did you ever find the baptism for Henry son of Edward?

Kris 

[cbcarolyn]

No I have not managed to find the baptism of Henry.  I have noted down every Lugg that was baptised in his era and it is possible that his was not transcribed and I have found all of his siblings, and there is a possible gap.  In the census he swaps between Henry and Thomas Henry.  I have bought CDs from the transcriptions and looked at the microfiche whilst on holiday in Cornwall this year.

I visited Gunwalloe graveyard this year too and found gravestones of Henry and Edward - they were near each other so this maybe an indication of relationship too?

I have not got a death cert as I thought it wouldn't help me on ancestry - do you think it is worth a request?  Perhaps Edward death cert might tell me whether Henry is the son as he would have been alive.  Would death Certs that old tell me much?

Thank you for trying to make sense of this

[krisesjoint]

Hi again marwil,

I have been scouting about for this Victorian family. I note 16 Lugg's arrived in 1852 aboard the "Sir Edward Parry". There was an Edward aged 18.

http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=24

This Edward is the son of William and Eleanor (Skews) who he emigrated with. The family can be found in St Kerverne in 1841 William is a 40 year old farmer, Elinor is 35 HO107/138/2 Folio 10 Page 12. Edward was aged 7. 1851 in Ruan Major HO107/1913 Folio 99 Page 3. William is aged 51 a Farmer of 26 acres b Ruan Major. William appears to be the son of Simon and Elizabeth baptised 6 Jan 1800 Ruan Major. His son Edward is 17.  This Edward later wed Johann Dorothea Paulke in 1867 in Vic. Is this your Edward?

Also on board the same ship was Henry Lugg and family. Ages of Henry and Mary seem wrong..... 1851 census HO107/1913  Folio 101 Page 7 Henry is aged 44  an ag lab. Childrens names and ages seem to fit with immigration records. Looks like this is Williams brother baptised 31 May 1807

Cheers Kris  

[krisesjoint]

How frustrating for you cb 

I know I tried everything I could think of and couldn't find the baptism (even tried nonconformist) so it does appear he was not baptised. As you say all indication is he is Edwards son. Alas no I do not think the death cert will help you unless Henry registered the death. Unlike marwils Oz cert which will list all sorts of goodies.   

You have the double whammy here for sure with no baptism appearing either for your Henry/Thomas Henry or for his possible father Edward. Pity the gravestones did not yeild anything further. Did Edward by chance leave a will?

Kris 

[cbcarolyn]

I must admit I don't know how to go about getting the will - I am new to this, is this easy?  Do I have to go to the NA in London?


An aunt of mine said that a branch of our Luggs went to Ballarat for mining - but I have not actually found a link - so I wonder if it was because there are Luggs that did go and the link maybe a long way up the tree.

[krisesjoint]

Hi cb,

Being a Labourer I am really not holding my breath that he would have left a will but worth a look for sure. See Genuki - Probate Records

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Cornwall/

If Edward was Simon and Elizabeths son, then these Vic families are his brothers and their families. marwil can probably tell us what they did in Vic. They appear to be a part of the farming community in Cornwall.

Kris 

[marwil]

Dear Kris and cbcarolyn

I seem to be having some trouble replying so I will try again. Firstly I was in error. In my enthusiasm at seeing an interest in this section of the Lugg family I omitted to check the family data and relied on memory. My ggg grandfather on Mt Duneed is in fact William Lugg snr, born 1799, died 1898. See I got the 8 in the wrong century! His son William jnr brought the extended family to Australia aboard the "Sir Edward Parry" as Kris points out. There are Edward Luggs up and down and sideways in the family tree. At least those are my excuses. Willliam snr is the son of Simon Lugg/Elisabeth Pascoe as Kris points out and he had the 26 acres at Ruan Major. Before that Alexander, 1692; George, 1650; George, 1620 and Thomas 1580.

William jnr tried his luck very early at Ballarat (1852+) and ended his days in steady employment (as many of them did) in the position of high trust as the battery manager of the North Queen Mine on Black Hill at East Ballarat (all the gold passed through his hands). However he paid a price and died of stomach cancer induced by the gold extracting cyanide of the battery. His brothers, father and cousins were successful shopkeepers, farmers and graziers in the Geelong/Western districts of Victoria and the family are now thoroughly respectable citizens. Johann Dorothea Paulke who married Edward in 1867 is one of ours too.

[cbcarolyn]

I must have missed this post, and have returned looking at family tree things in the last few months.

Thank you both for your replies.  It is fun this tree lark, but so frustrating to know where to go next.

So the link to Ballarat stems from siblings of Edward, would always love to hear any more information you get.  As yet I have not moved any further forward.

[Cathy48]

Hi, I am new to this site but have information about Edward Lugg born 13th July 1797 at Ruan Major, married Julian Hendy in 1819 and had 9 children. He had a brother William George born about 1800 and buried 1892 at Mount Duneed. Edward was buried in 1883 at Gunwalloe. Are you still interested in him or have you found all this out already? Edward was my ancestor, my mothers maiden name is Lugg.