Where to look next for John Nye?

[lizdb]

I am assuming that the name of his father. John nye, came from the marriage cert. Does this say 'deceased' for the father ? (just following on from an earlier theory that his dad died)

And... of course there is always the chance he ws ilegitimate, but just 'made up' a father for the marriage cert - wouldnt have been the first!

but - in either event, he should still have a birth registered, and should still be on 1861 and 1851 censuses - somewhere.

[moors]

If you find you have a connection with NYE in Kent please let me know as I know a John Nye in Tunbridge Wells.

[Archimedes]

Yes, it says the Father is John Nye Deceased Stonemason on the marriage cert.
But that in itself is interesting coz the Nye name is Kent and Sussex and a lots of the Nyes are listed as Bricklayers and Bricksetters on the census (Mainly over in the Chatham area, but I suspect that was were most of the work was). There is even a family in Cuckfield with the Head William Nye who was a Bricklayer master employing 3 men in 1851. But I traced all the children on the census and they all seem to go into the Grocery Business and one became a Piano Maker. And there was no John.

I've no idea how to look for illegitamate children. There is a servant in the house called Hannah Ede (She is miss listed on Ancestory transcripts as Hannah Nye), perhaps i could start with her?

There is a strange family connection to Wales in that one of John Henry's children  called Arthur Willian had something of a checked history including getting court martialled in the Navy for thumping his officer and then he lied on the draft papers and joined up to serve in the army in WW1. But sometime between getting out of Navy prison (He did 2years hard labour) and joining up he managed to father an illegitamate child in birth registered in 1912 in Bridgend Glamorgan. I wondered when I found that what he was doing down their and why wasn't he in Liverpool with the rest of the family. Perhaps this is a clue.

[Archimedes]

Oh and if I get my John Nye back to Kent or sussex I promise to let  everyone know.

[lizdb]

I think the key tothis will be to find little John on the 1861 census when he is about 6-8 years old.

Sadly I havent got full access, but there seem to be a few possible candidates in the index around that age. would be good to go through those, and see if any are possibles or if any can be eliminated, bearing in miind that his dad 'john' may be dead, or indeed there is always the possibilty that he was just a made up dad, so we cant rule out any just cos their dad is not John!! of course if their dad is clearly someone else Nye, then I guess they can be ruled out. If you follow me.

Anyway - hopefully another rootschatter with full access to 1861 will pick this up. If not, I suggret you try a specific 'look up' request on the Sussex 'look up' board for a look up in 1861 for John Nye born 1853-54.

Hope you find him!

[sillgen]

I have looked for him in 1861 in Sussex without success.  Will try again tomorrow when I have more time.  I still think the names of his children might offer clues.
Andrea

[Archimedes]

will go  and explore the name sthing, but was convinced that they were Royal Family names.hey are
:
John Henry Nye
Beatrice Nye
William Nye
Charles Leonard Nye
Grace Ellen Nye
George Stephen Nye
Ada Nye
Earnest Edward Nye
Rose Nye
Arthur William Nye
Jessie May Nye
Albert Edward Nye
Ethel Nye
Albert Edward Nye
Percy Albert Nye

And yes I do have 2 albert Edwards and they both died in childhood.
I want to thank you folk for helping me and making me so welcome. It has been so good to talk this out loud instead of it going round and round in my head.

[sillgen]

Still can't find him.  Thought of lots more spelling variants though.  Ney, Nigh, Neigh etc.
Who were the witnesses at his wedding?   They are often siblings so that might help.  What age and occupation is he at marriage?
The William Nye you mention in Cuckfield in 1851 actually lives in Handcross and was born Rusper.  Cuckfield was the main registration district for a large area in those days so it is always worth checking which village they live in as the church records there may hold clues.
Illegitimate births are hard as the birth is registered under the mother's name.  If she later marries then the child might be brought up with his stepfather's name - whether he was the real father or not.    It can be very confusing.   There is no evidence here that John was not always known as Nye but not being able to find him in 1861 is a pest!
Andrea

[Bushie]

I have read all of ur posts here.

My interest is in Edmund Nye who arrived in Aust as a convict in 1830.
Edmund was borning in Ferring Sussex in 1811.

There was a John Nye in this line as well, so its not an easy line to fine.
I've found (with the help of some wonderful ppl on the net) a lot of information on Edmund and which includes his brothers and sisters names as well as his parents name William and Mary (nee Hills)

If you find any connection would love to hear from you.

Bushie