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« on: Monday 27 August 07 13:30 BST (UK) »
Looking for info on Marguerite Madeline Cheverton b. 1895 in Greenwich. Married Francis Patch in 1919. Thanks, Ferret1
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CHILTON, COOPER, CRAMPTON, LEE/S, SMEDLEY, SHARPE - NTTS
COOPER, DENNIS, JENNINGS, KNIGHTS, LOWTHER,   WALSHAM - CAMBS
FISHER, BULL, GARROOD, MARRIOTT, PIPE - SFK,
HOLT, MANNERS, RUSSEL/L, BERRIDGE - LINCS
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Re: cheverton
« Reply #1 on: Monday 27 August 07 22:30 BST (UK) »
Marriage certificate:

Marguerite M Cheverton m. Leslie F. L. Patch or Leslie F. Lloyd-Patch (both varients are given on the index), 1919 September quarter, Bradfield district, volume 2c page 1082.  They cut it close: Elizabeth M. Patch mmn Cheverton was born Dec quarter 1919.

Birth certificate:
Marguerite Madeline Cheverton, Dec 1895 quarter, Greenwich district, volume 1d page 1030.

I think she may be living in Acton in 1901 (marriage or birth certificate to confirm parents).

Bernard A. Cheverton, 31, solicitor b. Tunbridge Wells, Kent
Cecile M, 29, b. Sydenham Lon.
Margaret M, 5, b. St. John Kent.
Sidney B, 0, b. Acton Middlesex

freebmd also shows a possible marriage for these parents:
Bernard Alabone Cheverton and Cecile Marguerite Mollard, Jun 1894 quarter, Greenwich district, volume 1d page 1331.

Also on freebmd - Bernard A. Cheverton, died aged 49, Dec 1918 quarter, Wycombe district, vol 3a page 1898.  And something else interesting - the only entry for a Bernard Cheverton other than Marguerite's father Bernard's birth, marriage, and death, is the birth of what appears to be an illegitimate child in 1917:

Bernard Cheverton, mmn Cheverton, born Dec 1917 quarter Croydon, 2a/432. (Marguerite's son? Or is the name a coincidence?)

Bernard A. Cheverton is away from his family in 1881, at school (his father is possibly George Cheverton who is living with wife and daughters in Tunbridge Wells in 1881).  Can't find Cecile at all - probably need to get their marriage certificate to go further back there.
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Re: cheverton
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 28 August 07 19:12 BST (UK) »
Thanks jorose
I am waiting for the marriage cert of Bernard and Cecile as I can't find Cecile on any census records either. I have an idea she was french.

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CARR, HARCOURT, JERMY, REEDER, SPENCER, WATERS, BOYS, DOUGHTY - NFK
CHILTON, COOPER, CRAMPTON, LEE/S, SMEDLEY, SHARPE - NTTS
COOPER, DENNIS, JENNINGS, KNIGHTS, LOWTHER,   WALSHAM - CAMBS
FISHER, BULL, GARROOD, MARRIOTT, PIPE - SFK,
HOLT, MANNERS, RUSSEL/L, BERRIDGE - LINCS
LOWTHER - NORTHANTS
TYRWHIT - ANY
WHICHCOT/E - ANY
BERRIDGE - RUTLAND
BOYS - KENT

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Re: cheverton
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 28 August 07 21:23 BST (UK) »
The name certainly suggests that she might have been, although she claims to have been born Kent/London in 1901 - possibly her family moved around some? Also possible it was her second marriage, I suppose - I have one who married young, her husband died at 19 from tuberculosis, and she neglected to mention the fact that she'd been previously married on her children's birth certificates - took a while to find her.

www.historicaldirectories.org has some entries for Bernard - in 1910 he's listed as a solicitor part of MacArthur and Cheverton (33 King Street, Cheapside EC, telephone 8239 Bank).
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Re: cheverton
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 29 August 07 16:18 BST (UK) »
thanks jorose
I hadn't considered her being previously married, however I received her marriage cert today. Father is Louis Mollard - just about to look him up in the census returns but I have a feeling he was french.
This is not my family tree but something I am doing for someone lese and they said that there is history that they have french ancestors - perhaps this is them!

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CARR, HARCOURT, JERMY, REEDER, SPENCER, WATERS, BOYS, DOUGHTY - NFK
CHILTON, COOPER, CRAMPTON, LEE/S, SMEDLEY, SHARPE - NTTS
COOPER, DENNIS, JENNINGS, KNIGHTS, LOWTHER,   WALSHAM - CAMBS
FISHER, BULL, GARROOD, MARRIOTT, PIPE - SFK,
HOLT, MANNERS, RUSSEL/L, BERRIDGE - LINCS
LOWTHER - NORTHANTS
TYRWHIT - ANY
WHICHCOT/E - ANY
BERRIDGE - RUTLAND
BOYS - KENT

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Re: cheverton
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 29 August 07 17:36 BST (UK) »
Does it give an occupation for him?  You're right, both surname and first names suggest a French connection.

http://www.geopatronyme.com/cgi-bin/carte/nomcarte.cgi?nom=Mollard&submit=Valider&client=cdip - here's a map of where in France the surname Mollard is found.  When you're looking for French families, beware of the Middle Name Game - something I know quite well, because my Jean Pierre Olivier Praud appears in most records as Olivier or Oliver, and to throw it the other way around 'Louis Mollard' could well turn up as Jean Louis Mollard or Henri Louis Mollard (the first name is a christening name).

(This problem shows up in other countries, too, I know, but my French relatives seem to have taken it to the furthest possible extent - particularly Andre Henri Louis Praud, lifelong juggler of forenames).

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Re: cheverton
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 29 August 07 18:34 BST (UK) »
Jorose
The occupation on the marriage cert is "of independent means", which isn't really helpful!
I have looked at some of the websites that have french registers of BMD etc but they are either in french (ther's a shocker!!) or they need to be subscribed to. As I mentioned this is not my family and so I will need to check with the person I am doing it for to see if he wants me to spend any more mony.
Thanks for the website, Ferret1
CARR, HARCOURT, JERMY, REEDER, SPENCER, WATERS, BOYS, DOUGHTY - NFK
CHILTON, COOPER, CRAMPTON, LEE/S, SMEDLEY, SHARPE - NTTS
COOPER, DENNIS, JENNINGS, KNIGHTS, LOWTHER,   WALSHAM - CAMBS
FISHER, BULL, GARROOD, MARRIOTT, PIPE - SFK,
HOLT, MANNERS, RUSSEL/L, BERRIDGE - LINCS
LOWTHER - NORTHANTS
TYRWHIT - ANY
WHICHCOT/E - ANY
BERRIDGE - RUTLAND
BOYS - KENT

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Re: cheverton
« Reply #7 on: Friday 31 August 07 18:10 BST (UK) »
Most of the online stuff isn't even helpful when you don't know which region they were from. :( You can have a look at www.geneanet.com - but you have to subscribe there to be able to search by first name, too.

A little possible link - there are two people named Mollard who married in Greenwich in Jun quarter 1894 - Cecile Marguerite and George Paul - and a possible wife for George Paul Mollard is Ellen Gertrude Cheverton!  George Paul Mollard = brother of Cecile and Ellen Gertrude Cheverton = sister of Bernard?

Like Cecile, George does not appear to be in the birth indexes.  Also, I can't spot him on any census. :(  I guess a possible explanation would be that he arrived in England accompanying his sister, that they both married there, and then that George and Ellen returned to France together or emigrated elsewhere.

A few things to check - who were the witnesses at the marriage, was it a church or registry office marriage (and if a church, then Catholic, CoE, other?)  and what was Cecile's address? You never know where these things will lead.
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Re: cheverton
« Reply #8 on: Friday 31 August 07 19:13 BST (UK) »
Thanks for all of the info jorose.

I had a look at www.geneanet.com and realised that you had to subscribe but as I didn't havetoo much info I didn't think I would do that yet.

The 2 people you mention as marrying in Greenwich are 'my' Cecile Mollard and George Mollard - I have checked the marrige regsiters and it all adds up.

I have searched the birth indexes for several years either side of when Cecile was born - about 1872 - but no luck. This led me even more to consider that she was born in France and for whatever reason her place of birth is listed as Sydenham, Kent in a later census.

The witnesses at the marriage were George Cheverton (Bernard's father) and an F. M Howe. I have looked for that person in the 1891 census but no luck. The marriage took place at the Register Office in Greenwich and Cecile's address was the same as Bernard's (24 Wickham Road, Brockley).

Thanks again, Ferret1
CARR, HARCOURT, JERMY, REEDER, SPENCER, WATERS, BOYS, DOUGHTY - NFK
CHILTON, COOPER, CRAMPTON, LEE/S, SMEDLEY, SHARPE - NTTS
COOPER, DENNIS, JENNINGS, KNIGHTS, LOWTHER,   WALSHAM - CAMBS
FISHER, BULL, GARROOD, MARRIOTT, PIPE - SFK,
HOLT, MANNERS, RUSSEL/L, BERRIDGE - LINCS
LOWTHER - NORTHANTS
TYRWHIT - ANY
WHICHCOT/E - ANY
BERRIDGE - RUTLAND
BOYS - KENT