any help with these ladies who all married a "merrick" from norton canon??

[JO07]

Allan, whilst searching an unconnected issue, I came across on the 1851 census in Parish of Church Minshull, a Mary ( aged 20) from Garston who was the wife of John Oakes (an agricultural worker, aged 24). They had a daughter, Sarah Ann, born Church Minshull and lived at Lea Green.
This is precisely the area where Mary Trelfa (who married Ralph Oakes of Swanlow, Winsford in 1758) was born.
Secondly, in the 1881 census in the Civil Parish/ Township of Weaver (St Michael’s and All Angels Parish) there is another John Oakes (agricultural labourer) but also, interestingly, a Thomas Trelfa- a farmer aged 45 who owned  190 acres of land at Weaver Wood and employed two workers (possibly at least one being a John Oakes).
In 1871, this John Oakes lived in Ashbrook in Weaver. ( I think his father is Thomas [1781] and the line goes back to Samuel in 1675; I think the two Johns may be related).
This area of Weaver is adjacent to Weaver Chapel in Swanlow Lane, Winsford and I believe Weaver later became part of Darnhall, Winsford. (So, did the Trelfa’s really live more in Darnhall, Winsford than Middlewich as recorded?).
This appears to throw up lots of interconnectivity between Trelfa’s and Oakes’s and between Oakes’s and Garston.
Do you know of these connections?
John

[jm12]

Hello both
How do we know Ralf Oakes b 1727 is from Swanlow, Winsford?
Is that the area aroudn Swanlow Lane?
John

[JO07]

Hi John,

A relative of mine recently spent time looking at some old St. Chad's records around 1730 (on microfilm as they provide more information than web sites).   
It's incomplete, but there were records of a Ralph OAKES and a Thomas OAKES. who were both shown to be 'of Swanlow'.

Today, we would be talking about the area around Swanlow Lane - which is quite a large area, but in In those days, Over and Swanlow may have been interchangeable. (Winsford comprised Over and Wharton; there was an 'Over and Wharton' railway station!

I'm not sure how far Swanlow Lane extends from the centre of Over up to Weaver Chapel, I'll need to check.

Does that cover your interest, John, or do you have something more specific?

[JO07]

Just checked Tony Bostock's writings on Swanlow:

The township of Swanlow is entered when Swanlow Lane passes the ancient parish church of St. Chad’s and the Old Star Pub.
It forms a boundary with Darnhall at the junction with Moors Lane, then just past Evan’s farm it forms the division between the townships of Darnhall on the west and Weaver, on the east, before descending the bank, once known as Chivey Hill, to meet the Ashbrook. From here the road changes its name to Over Road as it continues on towards Church Minshull and Nantwich.
(Thomas Trelfa and John Oakes lived by Chivey Hill).


Earlier, for example, in the 1861 census the ‘hamlet’ of Swanlow was defined from the Old Star, to James Dooley’s, the houses in Moors Lane, School Green, Ways Green, BackLane, Mr Court’s works, Owlter Hall, Grove Cottage and Cottage in Welsh Lane.’ Minshull Lane, Stocks Stairs, Church Hill, School Lane and the Hollies were included.
In essence Swanlow was the whole area south of a line drawn from School Green, along Darnhall School Lane, along the ridge behind the church and down to Winsford Bridge.

Not exactly rocket science, but hope it helps!

[garstonite]

Allan, whilst searching an unconnected issue, I came across on the 1851 census in Parish of Church Minshull, a Mary ( aged 20) from Garston who was the wife of John Oakes (an agricultural worker, aged 24). They had a daughter, Sarah Ann, born Church Minshull and lived at Lea Green.
This is precisely the area where Mary Trelfa (who married Ralph Oakes of Swanlow, Winsford in 1758) was born.
Secondly, in the 1881 census in the Civil Parish/ Township of Weaver (St Michael’s and All Angels Parish) there is another John Oakes (agricultural labourer) but also, interestingly, a Thomas Trelfa- a farmer aged 45 who owned  190 acres of land at Weaver Wood and employed two workers (possibly at least one being a John Oakes).
In 1871, this John Oakes lived in Ashbrook in Weaver. ( I think his father is Thomas [1781] and the line goes back to Samuel in 1675; I think the two Johns may be related).
This area of Weaver is adjacent to Weaver Chapel in Swanlow Lane, Winsford and I believe Weaver later became part of Darnhall, Winsford. (So, did the Trelfa’s really live more in Darnhall, Winsford than Middlewich as recorded?).
This appears to throw up lots of interconnectivity between Trelfa’s and Oakes’s and between Oakes’s and Garston.
Do you know of these connections?
John

No...this is all new to me...and very interesting...do we know what Marys maiden name was ?...and thanks for the info....allan

[JO07]

No, Allan, that's all I've got.
I was hoping you might know, or could find out!

A relative of mine still has Mary Trelfa in our tree, but you suggested an interesting and more in-keeping Wharton alternative, namely that my 3x great grandfather, John's (1784) dad may be the Thomas (1756) born to Samuel/Ellin, rather than Thomas (1761) born to Ralph/Mary Trelfa.
(And John and his family seem to originate from Wharton (Davenham) - which is where Thomas married Mary Cawley in 1783- whereas Mary Trelfa's family came more from Weaver/Swanlow)

John

[garstonite]

OK John...got her ...her maiden name was Brooke
John Oakes to Mary Brooke 22nd april 1850 in Church Minshull,Cheshire...Johns father was Thomas
allan

[garstonite]

Mary Brooks christened 10th October 1830 in Garston
father Richard mother Elizabeth ....Brooke  -  Brooks ...??...what do you think ?
allan

[JO07]

Thanks, Allan, it adds flesh not only to my suspicions about the two Johns being related, but how they are related.
I'll say what my thoughts about how, later, when I check a few dates.

(Note, just to add to the confusion, there are at least two other Johns born in Davenham or Over in the period 1820-1827).