Louisa Kirchner - 1841 look-up please.

[Lauraine]

Hi Phil:

If you had KIRCHNER's  in your line, perhaps they were some of the Palatines who were resettled into Ireland??  Might be the same family or at least relatives of the same group?  Am not sure what records exist for the Palatines who were settled in Ireland, but there must be some?

My ancestors were Wilhelm KIRCHNER (changed to Carkner) and Christina "Justine" Harmsen who were either born or moved to the Colony (NY) in or prior to 1734 or thereabouts.  It is funny how the name was changed when they moved into Canada.  Not sure of the whys.

Please keep in touch.

Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick

[Phil Goater]

Hi Lauraine,

This is my wife's ancestor. The family had one of those wonderful family legends that they were related to Lord Kitchener who was also born in Limerick. This was clearly a legend of convenience/ political correctness since there was a lot of anti-German feeling during the First World War - there is no truth in the fiction!

Phil

[Lauraine]

Hi Phil:

My relatives lived long before the lst World War.  Both born in the 1700's so born before the American Revolution started.  Germany was not a country back then so most of the Palatines were in Dutchies.  Do not know a lot about the Palatines other than they were chased out of the Dutchies during the Repeal of ??  Darn can't recall the name now.  Anyway it was a law that allowed peoples of other faiths than Catholic to exist and it was repealed whereby the  families were either burned off their property or they fled to escape religious persecution.  My relatives fled to New York which at the time was under British Rule.

Lauraine

[kingjohn]

Hi I am trying to find information on Simon Kirchner, Cabinet Maker working in Limerick 1815-ca1830.
I known the man hand two wives a Mary and Margaret and at least 4 children out of the unions. Two of the sons appear in the UK Census 1861 and are living in Birmingham (Benjamin and Simon), was wondering went the family left Ireland was it before or after the famine???
John Rogers

[Lauraine]

Hi I am trying to find information on Simon Kirchner, Cabinet Maker working in Limerick 1815-ca1830.
I known the man hand two wives a Mary and Margaret and at least 4 children out of the unions. Two of the sons appear in the UK Census 1861 and are living in Birmingham (Benjamin and Simon), was wondering went the family left Ireland was it before or after the famine???
John Rogers

  Sorry cannot help you out here.  If you find out anything more about these Kirchner's, perhaps you can let me know.  My 4x great grandmother was a Kirchner but her name was changed to Carkner in Canada but then she married an Albright (Albrecht).  One of her brothers was definitely an UEL & believe that family did a fairly extensive report on them.  Have not really researched this woman other than knowing she married my 4X great grandfather.  If you want to search for the Carkner family in Canada know they were formerly Kirchner.

[Phil Goater]

It would appear that Benjamin was in the Birmingham area in 1851 with his wife so he might have come over due to the famine which lasted from 1845 to 1852. He wasn't in Swansea in 1841 with his step mother Margaret who had remarried Patrick Gahagan in Limerick.

With regard to the Palatine heritage I have found a couple of records which suggests a different background for these Kirchners in Ireland. There is an advert in a Dublin newspaper of 12 January 1790 which advertises the "superior" display of the furrier Gottlieb Simon Kirchner from Prussia. Gottlieb and Johann Simon Kirchner feature on a small list of furriers in Dublin in 1783 in the Merchants and Traders section of Watson's Almanac of 1783 (at different addresses in Dublin). 

Phil

[undautri]

hi
im new to this site but want to post here as i too am researching Louisa as she is my great great grandmother
she married Samuel Parker in 1848 in Swansea - her father is shown as Benjamin Kirchner
in 1881 she married Thomas hill - this record shows her as being born in Ireland in 1833 and her fathers name as Benjamin Kischener
this convinces me that it is her fathers name and not her brother
there is a story in the family told to me by both my mother , aunt and grandfather that there is a family link to lord Kitchener......my great aunt had in her possession letters written by Kitchener to her mother (Louisas daughter)
these were destroyed unfortunately
the story is that a Kitchener ran off with a gardener and was therefore disowned by the family
 Louisa was just 16 when she married Samuel Parker - a head gardener.
also my great grandmother told all her children not to waste time trying to get an inheritance when Kitchener died but a few years later my great uncle came into money from somewhere and built a house and opened a shop in the village
so lots of coincidences and mysteries there.
i dont know where Louisa was in 1841 but she was just 7 at the time
ive got a lovely photograph of Louisa (known by the family as granny Hill)if anyone wants a copy of it or wants me to post it on here let me know
kath

[Lauraine]

It would appear that Benjamin was in the Birmingham area in 1851 with his wife so he might have come over due to the famine which lasted from 1845 to 1852. He wasn't in Swansea in 1841 with his step mother Margaret who had remarried Patrick Gahagan in Limerick.

With regard to the Palatine heritage I have found a couple of records which suggests a different background for these Kirchners in Ireland. There is an advert in a Dublin newspaper of 12 January 1790 which advertises the "superior" display of the furrier Gottlieb Simon Kirchner from Prussia. Gottlieb and Johann Simon Kirchner feature on a small list of furriers in Dublin in 1783 in the Merchants and Traders section of Watson's Almanac of 1783 (at different addresses in Dublin).
 

Phil

Hi Phil = they may have put they were from Prussia as my husband's ancestors came from Prussia but were actually Ukrainians from the Ukraine.  You would need to provide more information on where they came from.  Prussia was a huge area & covered Germany, Ukraine, etc. If you find out anymore on the Kirchener's please advise me.  Thanks

[Lauraine]

hi
im new to this site but want to post here as i too am researching Louisa as she is my great great grandmother
she married Samuel Parker in 1848 in Swansea - her father is shown as Benjamin Kirchner
in 1881 she married Thomas hill - this record shows her as being born in Ireland in 1833 and her fathers name as Benjamin Kischener
this convinces me that it is her fathers name and not her brother
there is a story in the family told to me by both my mother , aunt and grandfather that there is a family link to lord Kitchener......my great aunt had in her possession letters written by Kitchener to her mother (Louisas daughter)
these were destroyed unfortunately
the story is that a Kitchener ran off with a gardener and was therefore disowned by the family
 Louisa was just 16 when she married Samuel Parker - a head gardener.
also my great grandmother told all her children not to waste time trying to get an inheritance when Kitchener died but a few years later my great uncle came into money from somewhere and built a house and opened a shop in the village
so lots of coincidences and mysteries there.
i dont know where Louisa was in 1841 but she was just 7 at the time
ive got a lovely photograph of Louisa (known by the family as granny Hill)if anyone wants a copy of it or wants me to post it on here let me know
kath

Hi Kath
No idea where this group of Kirchener originated.  Could be Prussia or one of the countries under their rule.   Would be interesting to know.  No idea where the ones in the US came from but believe they were on the 3rd ship out of Amsterdam (supposedly came from one of the Dutchies which later became Germany.  They arrived in the US between 1709 - 1765.  My own family the "Albright" (Albrecht) arrived in 1709/10.  Made a stab at finding them in Europe but so far no luck.  Good luck finding more about your relatives.