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Re: drownings in the thames
« Reply #135 on: Sunday 15 June 25 11:56 BST (UK) »
55 days? That's insane. Well it was really more of a sight-seeing trip than A to B  then. I suppose that means the other migration records for Arthur Grant need to be struck off because he couldn't have been in London 21 Oct or Capetown 27 Oct.

As you know the Moravian left Sydney 9 Nov 1901. Shipping reports in various newspapers give the following timeline:

12 Nov - arr Melbourne
14 Nov - left Melbourne
20 Nov - arr Albany
7 Dec -  arr Natal
13 Dec -  left Table Bay
29 Dec - arr Teneriffe
3 Jan - passed Ushant
5 Jan - passed Prawle Point
5 Jan - arr Gravesend (for Royal Albert Dock)

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Interesting note about the Moravian and it's Captain SIMPSON:
"One of the most popular skippers on ocean steamers is, perhaps, "auld mon" Simpson, of the Aberdeen liner Moravian. He is essentially a democrat, and when evening concerts are held not only arranges for the passengers to attend irespective of "class", but also allows the crew to be present. He is known amongst seamen as "Our blue-eyed skipper."
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/167245126

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Re: drownings in the thames
« Reply #136 on: Sunday 15 June 25 13:05 BST (UK) »
55 days? That's insane. Well it was really more of a sight-seeing trip than A to B  then.

The Moravian had a speed of 13 knots (see link below). She was a single-screw steamship, but was also a three-master, rigged for sail. My AI friend tells me that for a vessel like this the speed of 13 knots would be achievable under steam power, and under sail power with favourable winds.

The typical sea route from Melbourne is 13,508 nautical miles. If Moravian had maintained the speed of 13 knots continuously the journey would have taken 43 days.

An AI-generated estimate based on the coal capacity and fuel efficiency of similar ships of the time suggests a steaming range of between 3,100 and 3,700 nautical miles. Thus she would probably have relied quite heavily upon sail, and fallen back on steaming when the wind was unfavourable. She would likely have re-coaled in South Africa.

So all in all, a voyage of 55 days doesn't seem unreasonable.

https://mfo.me.uk/showmedia.php?mediaID=1911
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Re: drownings in the thames
« Reply #137 on: Sunday 15 June 25 16:35 BST (UK) »
I'm curious to know what happened between the death of Polly's father in 1889 in Dunedin and Polly's final trip to London in 1900.

A lot of things could have happened in a decade, which could explain her sad demise. Maybe Arthur Grant was just the final chapter of a long story.

Her sister Kate married in Geraldton WA in 1895 and there's no mention of Polly (or anyone else for that matter).

A VERY pretty though quiet wedding was
celebrated at St. John's church on Sunday
afternoon by the Rev. A. H. Macdonald.
The contracting parties were Miss Kitty
Tyree, daughter of the late William Tyree,
of Dunedin, New Zealand, and niece of
Mrs. Browne, Of Hawthorne, Melbourne,
and Mr. William Cannon, assistant Regis-
trar at Cue. The church was prettily decorated
for the occasion, with evergreens and
white wild flowers. The bride wore a travelling
dress of gray tweed, with a French
toque trimmed with blue poppies. After
the ceremony the Sunday school children
lined the approach to the Church, and as
the bride walked down they showered her
with white daisies. The wedding march
played by Miss Sydney Gibbons completed
a very effective ceremony. Shortly afterwards
Mr. and Mrs. Cannon left the Manse,
where the bride has been staying since her
arrival in the colony, for a few days sojourn
at Greenough.

Geraldton Advertiser (WA : 1893 - 1905)  Mon 9 Sept 1895 Page 2  LOCAL AND GENERAL.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/252762007

Polly embarked in Sydney in 1900. Where was she living? Was she travelling alone to Cape Town, South Africa? Why her final destination according to the ship's log was not London?
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Re: drownings in the thames
« Reply #138 on: Yesterday at 00:04 »
For interest, here are the Moravian sightings for the trip out to Australia.

4 Sept - leave Gravesend
6 Sept - passed St Catherine's Point
13 Sept - "speaking" at 17N, 18W
27 Sep - left Capetown
1 Oct - left Table Bay
17 Oct - arr Melbourne
21 Oct - arr Sydney

Nice description of the Moravian here:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14253912


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Re: drownings in the thames
« Reply #139 on: Yesterday at 02:09 »
A description of the voyage from London to Sydney by the Moravian - it mentions crew, but not A GRANT.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/230631344

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Re: drownings in the thames
« Reply #140 on: Yesterday at 12:37 »
Might be because he's only a steward
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Re: drownings in the thames
« Reply #141 on: Yesterday at 22:15 »
The article mentions a number of crew including the Chief Steward, however from memory, on the crew list A GRANT is a general servant.

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Re: drownings in the thames
« Reply #142 on: Yesterday at 23:41 »
I have followed this thread with interest.
It must be the busiest of "completed topics" ever!
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