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Re: drownings in the thames
« Reply #63 on: Wednesday 11 June 25 17:48 BST (UK) »
I don't have a subscription to BNA or FindMyPast. Have you checked if this has more info?

THE KENTISH INDEPENDENT

...  A WOOLWICH MYSTERY —The bodies of a man and woman were found in the Thames at Woolwich last week, and the inquest of found drowned was returned, Os Saturday the deceased man was identified as Arthur E. Grant ...

Published: Saturday 04 May 1901
Newspaper: Kentish Independent
County: London, England
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« Reply #64 on: Wednesday 11 June 25 17:54 BST (UK) »
Isn’t this Rosie’s initial find?
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« Reply #65 on: Wednesday 11 June 25 17:54 BST (UK) »
Isn’t this Rosie’s initial find?

Oops sorry  ;D
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« Reply #66 on: Thursday 12 June 25 01:08 BST (UK) »
Well, Congratulations to Rosie and PatLac in particular and to all who have worked on this.

Another true Rootschat success story!

Poor girl, expecting a baby and nowhere to turn.  Tragic.

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« Reply #67 on: Thursday 12 June 25 02:45 BST (UK) »
Excellent result! I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to do a newspaper search before Rosie's great find.  :D

Is there a global  library edition of BNA like Ancestry for public libraries you can access for free as a member,  or is it only available for users  in Britain?


In answer to this early question from Darian, I'm not sure about a library edition of BNA, it might depend on the particular library and whether they are happy to subscribe. I know my local library has both Ancestry and findmypast available for members to use on site.

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« Reply #68 on: Thursday 12 June 25 09:37 BST (UK) »
This has been posted on their other post.

Wow. I think this must be it! I don't think there were any other Mary Tyrees in Australasia that qualify. The others were as stated cousins or other relatives - and another Mary Tyree in Australia who was a later generation is ruled out, attached to another family in no way connected that we know of. Thank you so much. Very exciting to think we may have it finally.

They don't appear to be following this post, they certainly have not responded to a lot of our replies on here  :-\
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« Reply #69 on: Thursday 12 June 25 09:49 BST (UK) »
Whoops,  In my excitement I misread the name in the newspaper they had the surname as Tyrel.  As she had not been identified at that time I am sure it should be Tyree as all the other information matches

Ignore that, It does say Tyree in some papers  ::)
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« Reply #70 on: Thursday 12 June 25 10:46 BST (UK) »
This is Mary Hodgman Tyree Mary (Polly) Tyree's cousin born in VIC AU west of Melbourne and yes she became Sexton, marrying a minister and dying in Canada. I think they did spend time in Fiji as many ministries did in the islands. On the other thread at the beginning  I listed off all the Mary Hodgman and/or Tyrees she was NOT just for clarity.
The administrators of her FaG memorial refuse to acknowledge her birth as 1882 even though I have now provided them a state government birth record. For some reason they think 'headstone dates' are more reliable. Go figure



I haven't been able to find May's birth certificate. Her wedding record:

14849/1929  HILL DOUGLAS R   HUGHES   MAY J   SYDNEY

I wonder if she was also born in Fiji, and maybe Polly remained there or went to Canada?

On the other hand, maybe this wasn't Polly, I can see that her namesake who married Rev. Horace Eustace SEXTON went to Canada.  ::)

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/209262288/mary-hodgeman-sexton

She was born in Victoria so maybe NSW, Fiji, Honolulu and Canada are places to look for Polly.  ;D

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« Reply #71 on: Thursday 12 June 25 10:57 BST (UK) »
I agree. With time as a a historian, genealogist or whatever, you have seen enough it's a little more lateral and you can almost go with a sense of something over accuracy % of matching factual data. So many things don't match up exactly and it can be a balance of probabilities tied with experience of researching many stories and knowledge of human and/or machine error.
Of course we had explored misspellings and variations as a probability. If database searches have options or just are a little fuzzy it will raise some slight mismatches. I had only seen Tyrie as one misspelling in Australian press for the family, and one the same in New Zealand, but Tyre comes up a lot as it was also a similar Irish surname.

Whoops,  In my excitement I misread the name in the newspaper they had the surname as Tyrel.  As she had not been identified at that time I am sure it should be Tyree as all the other information matches