drownings in the thames

[jaywit]

https://digupyourancestors.com/2020/04/04/a-person-unknown-drowned-in-the-thames/

This makes interesting reading. I found it whilst looking for a couple of my ancestors who committed "suicide" in the Thames.

Interesting but that covered the 17 hundreds we are talking about the 1890s here.

As far as I can see the OP has absolutely no evidence of anything connected with their story.

Saying there must be something in the family story is not always true.

 My family story is our connection to the Jennings millions (( google it ) . 

Doing my family research I found the man who brought the Jennings name into the family wasn't born with that surname, he was illegitimate and his mother later married a Mr Jennings whose surname he took. I have no DNA I can trace to Mr Jennings so the line is extremely tenuous to say the least.

[PatLac]

Have you looked at ship passenger lists of her coming to England. You would get her and husbands name.

I wasn't perhaps entirely clear. We don't know what her married name was and who her husband was.
As above
Mary Hodgman Tyree b 1872 Queenstown NZ
Has a birth record
Known as Polly which was diminutive of Mary or  Mary Ann
Last known whereabouts Nelson, South Island, NZ in 1892
She had portraits taken at Tyree Studios by her brothers at this time
Married unknown man no record ever found
Traveled to London from origin unknown
Drowned with him in some kind of accident
Occurred in the Thames River
It would have happened after 1892, speculating in the 1890s
She is never mentioned again even in wills and probates

Which now brings me to this speculation. If Polly was never mentioned in wills and probates, and her mother died 1895 and her father 1899, it means she was deceased by then. So it is likely the accident happened between 1893 and 1894. Traveling overseas (if it wasn't a domestic trip) was often reserved for newly-wed couples.

Did you mean to say her mother died in 1885 and her father 1889?

[AlanBoyd]

There is no evidence to link this with Polly apart from circumstantial details, it's more in the spirit of illustrating the problems highlighted by others.

Incidentally, a question for the experts: how would this death have been registered, if at all?

23 August 1894: London Evening Standard

A THAMES MYSTERY.
Mr. A. Braxton Hicks held an inquiry to-day at Batterses relative to the death of a female found in the River Thames entangled in the paddle-wheel of the steamboat Shamrock, lying at the Victoria Steamboats Dockyard. Church-road. Battersea.— Police-constable Day, 259 V, deposed that the deceased was wearing very little clothing when found. She was about 20 years of age, and 5 ft. 3 in. in length, her complexion was fresh, and her hair dark brown. She had on an old blue serge bodice, and one button boot on the right foot. —Dr. P. Kempster, who had made a post-mortem examination, said that death was due to asphyxia from drowning. Deceased, who had been in the water about ten days, had an old scar over the bridge of the nose. —The Jury returned an open verdict of Found Drowned.

[PatLac]

Could this have belonged to Mary Hodgman?

Correct me if I'm wrong, it looks like her parents lived at "Forth Place, George Street North" their entire lives in NZ? From 1874 Tyree Bros (boots and shoes manufacturers) ads until their death in 1885 (Ann Catherine) and 1889 (William)?

Page 3 Advertisements Column 5
Evening Star, Issue 10882, 16 March 1899, Page 3

FOUND
Initials M.H., Forth place, Gold Brooch. Apply William Andrew, St. David street.

On second thought, it seems Wiliam's brother James was selling the premises soon after his death.

TO LET, the Premises in Forth place and George street, recently occupied hy Mr Jas. Tyrie. Specially suitable for Cab Proprietor. Four Cottages, Stable, Paved Yard, and Vacant Section; will be let cheap to respectable tenant. Edmund Smith, Savings Bank.

Advertisements Column 4
Evening Star, Issue 8041, 18 October 1889, Page 3

[PatLac]

There is no evidence to link this with Polly apart from circumstantial details, it's more in the spirit of illustrating the problems highlighted by others.

Incidentally, a question for the experts: how would this death have been registered, if at all?

23 August 1894: London Evening Standard

A THAMES MYSTERY.
Mr. A. Braxton Hicks held an inquiry to-day at Batterses relative to the death of a female found in the River Thames entangled in the paddle-wheel of the steamboat Shamrock, lying at the Victoria Steamboats Dockyard. Church-road. Battersea.— Police-constable Day, 259 V, deposed that the deceased was wearing very little clothing when found. She was about 20 years of age, and 5 ft. 3 in. in length, her complexion was fresh, and her hair dark brown. She had on an old blue serge bodice, and one button boot on the right foot. —Dr. P. Kempster, who had made a post-mortem examination, said that death was due to asphyxia from drowning. Deceased, who had been in the water about ten days, had an old scar over the bridge of the nose. —The Jury returned an open verdict of Found Drowned.

Deaths Sep 1894   (>99%)

Unknown    Female    20-25    Wandsworth    1d   316

[AlanBoyd]

Thanks PatLac!

[jaywit]

FOUND
Initials M.H., Forth place, Gold Brooch. Apply William Andrew, St. David street

Just because the brooch was found in 1899 doesn't mean it was lost in 1899, it could have been lost many years earlier.

[PatLac]

FOUND
Initials M.H., Forth place, Gold Brooch. Apply William Andrew, St. David street

Just because the brooch was found in 1899 doesn't mean it was lost in 1899, it could have been lost many years earlier.

True! I was wondering if this is the brooch.

LOST, Saturday, between Forth place and High street, front Gold Brooch, engraved ; reward. Mr. Jones, photographer.

Page 3 Advertisements Column 3
Evening Star, Issue 10122, 28 September 1896, Page 3

[PatLac]

Following from the other thread https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=888912.0

Darian says Katherine "Kate" was born in 1871 in Marylebone, but I think this is her birth record? And her actual name was Kate?

TYREE, KATE       BAKER 
GRO Reference: 1870  J Quarter in EDMONTON  Volume 03A  Page 160