drownings in the thames

[KGarrad]

Have you considered that she may have died in Thames, New Zealand?
Rather than London, England.

[Darian Zam]

Have you looked at ship passenger lists of her coming to England. You would get her and husbands name.

I wasn't perhaps entirely clear. We don't know what her married name was and who her husband was.
As above
Mary Hodgman Tyree b 1872 Queenstown NZ
Has a birth record
Known as Polly which was diminutive of Mary or  Mary Ann
Last known whereabouts Nelson, South Island, NZ in 1892
She had portraits taken at Tyree Studios by her brothers at this time
Married unknown man no record ever found
Traveled to London from origin unknown
Drowned with him in some kind of accident
Occurred in the Thames River
It would have happened after 1892, speculating in the 1890s
She is never mentioned again even in wills and probates

Which now brings me to this speculation. If Polly was never mentioned in wills and probates, and her mother died 1895 and her father 1899, it means she was deceased by then. So it is likely the accident happened between 1893 and 1894. Traveling overseas (if it wasn't a domestic trip) was often reserved for newly-wed couples.

[Darian Zam]

I have considered that.
This morning I went through hundreds of mentions resulting from searches for Mary and/or Polly and/or Tyree and/or drown and/or Thames.
I went through both historical papers in NZ AND Australia
I found no mention. They were a notable family in both countries but regardless I feel one or  the other country if not both would have reported on a 'tragedy' of newly-weds dying on a holiday regardless of where, when and why  it happened.
However the note on the family tree specifically says visit to London
And intones both died in whatever the incident was.

Have you considered that she may have died in Thames, New Zealand?
Rather than London, England.

[Darian Zam]

Apparently there is a database specifically of deaths in the Thames but it is not available online and one must visit in person to look at it.

[KGarrad]

However the note on the family tree specifically says visit to London
And intones both died in whatever the incident was.

Is this from a family story, rather than documentary evidence?

We had a family story that we had French blood. Nearest I found is a birth in Jersey, Channel Islands!
And that's in my tree which goes back to 1550!

[Darian Zam]

Have you any idea of her date of birth?

As above 1872, 18 Jan 1872

If it came to searching through Mary Ann's deaths in 1893 an age would help, do you also mean her husband drowned as well?

It is inferred that her husband did not live through the incident by 'died with husband on visit to London.'

Also you would have to consider that her identity was not known and her death could be recorded as unknown woman.

It's possible but if the family knew about it she wasn't 'unknown.' Also if a man and woman died together or it was multiple victim incidents rather than singular it would narrow it down quite a lot.

I am pretty sure it can be avoided and if possible would be preferable to avoid going through Mary and/or Ann in any record since Mary and Anne/Anne are literally the two most common women's names historically. I have already done this with 20 years of electoral roll records in NZ to narrow it down to 6-10 potentials and that was tens of thousands. Would not recommend it.

[rosie99]

Apparently there is a database specifically of deaths in the Thames but it is not available online and one must visit in person to look at it.

Where is it held 

[tonepad]

The Great Storm In November, 1893:

https://lifeboatmagazinearchive.rnli.org/volume/15/171/the-great-storm-in-november-1893?searchterm=Yacht+Gan&page=1000


Tony

[jaywit]

If and I think it is a big if they both drowned together how did the family find out about it?

Remember they wouldn't have had an address in London but would have been staying in an hotel and my guess is that way back then people wouldn't return to their hotel, the management would give them a couple of days then they would pack up any belongings store them and relet the room, I can't see the hotel writing to any address they found in New Zealand.