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[Darian Zam]

Public comments Photo of William Tyree I (1820-89) - Graeme Tyree, posted 2 years ago

This one has been a problem to identify because of the man's appearance making it hard to fit his age with members of the family who were in Nelson. However lighting and retouching have probably made him appear more youthful than he is.
Quite possible it is William Tyree Sr. There is a lot of similarity in appearance with his brother Frederick Jeremiah Tyree. The latest it could have been taken is 1889 at which time he would have been 69 years old. This man looks to be in his late forties to late fifties, and the men's fashion he is wearing indicates late 1860s to late 1870s,
If Graeme is correct I suspect this was taken at the establishment of Tyree Studio in 1878 when William was 58. However I do not know what information Grame is basing this identification on as he has not provided any evidence.
I have backed and forthed heaps of times on this issue myself between 2017-2025 as you can see from comments here:

https://www.geni.com/photo/view?album_type=photos_of_me&id=6000000020173155516&photo_id=6000000062713870919&position=0

I have now switched it back to being Willim Tyree Sr's profile picture yet again. Graeme is likley right, I just don't know what he is basing this on and his judgement has been incorrect before from lack of cross-checking and making assumptions.



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Quoting myself just to clarify that you were right, Darian, and Graeme was wrong.

This is Mary Ann Tyree (née Cross). The different hairstyle was adopted later on by Mary Ann and also her sister Ellen Smith Batchelor (née Cross) as can be seen in other photographs, including two with them together. They look very similar as young women and as older women as well.

https://collection.nelsonmuseum.co.nz/objects/P36503/tyree-wedding-group

https://collection.nelsonmuseum.co.nz/objects/58595/tyree

https://collection.nelsonmuseum.co.nz/objects/132088/batchelor-mrs

https://collection.nelsonmuseum.co.nz/objects/13164/batchelor-mrs

https://collection.nelsonmuseum.co.nz/objects/142270/tyree-mrs

https://collection.nelsonmuseum.co.nz/objects/P33833/tyree-mrs-w

https://collection.nelsonmuseum.co.nz/objects/P33834/tyree-mrs-w


And 3 photos of Polly with Mary Ann Tyree (née Cross) or Mrs. William Tyree:

https://collection.nelsonmuseum.co.nz/objects/33245/tyree-house

https://collection.nelsonmuseum.co.nz/objects/31443/tyree

https://collection.nelsonmuseum.co.nz/objects/31442/tyree


Wrongly identified in this article as "cook and servant"

https://www.pressreader.com/new-zealand/the-post-1022/20141004/282982513200879?srsltid=AfmBOorEUyxCqKFPcopv1uznchy6hK9mCm0HGCXCwFlXFTWaNYLQiVM3

Polly's father, William Tyree Sn

 https://collection.nelsonmuseum.co.nz/objects/34386/tyree#

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[Darian Zam]

Good spotting on the portraits of Helen Batchelor nee Cross. I hadn't thought to look - or rather - we weren't really sure which sister it was, out of a few she had.
We already combed through Fred Tyree's wedding portrait and had seen them in there. Most of the other people are members of the Scott family (I haven't looked for them in the NPM collection either). Only so far out you can spread.
Yes we quite recently decided that the pictures around the house and garden are not sister-in-law Grace Beveridge Tyree after all but sister-in-law Polly Tyree.


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Quoting myself just to clarify that you were right, Darian, and Graeme was wrong.

This is Mary Ann Tyree (née Cross). The different hairstyle was adopted later on by Mary Ann and also her sister Ellen Smith Batchelor (née Cross) as can be seen in other photographs, including two with them together. They look very similar as young women and as older women as well.

https://collection.nelsonmuseum.co.nz/objects/P36503/tyree-wedding-group

https://collection.nelsonmuseum.co.nz/objects/58595/tyree

https://collection.nelsonmuseum.co.nz/objects/132088/batchelor-mrs

https://collection.nelsonmuseum.co.nz/objects/13164/batchelor-mrs

https://collection.nelsonmuseum.co.nz/objects/142270/tyree-mrs

https://collection.nelsonmuseum.co.nz/objects/P33833/tyree-mrs-w

https://collection.nelsonmuseum.co.nz/objects/P33834/tyree-mrs-w


And 3 photos of Polly with Mary Ann Tyree (née Cross) or Mrs. William Tyree:

https://collection.nelsonmuseum.co.nz/objects/33245/tyree-house

https://collection.nelsonmuseum.co.nz/objects/31443/tyree

https://collection.nelsonmuseum.co.nz/objects/31442/tyree


Wrongly identified in this article as "cook and servant"

https://www.pressreader.com/new-zealand/the-post-1022/20141004/282982513200879?srsltid=AfmBOorEUyxCqKFPcopv1uznchy6hK9mCm0HGCXCwFlXFTWaNYLQiVM3

Polly's father, William Tyree Sn

 https://collection.nelsonmuseum.co.nz/objects/34386/tyree#

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[Darian Zam]

We haven't been able to figure out who he is yet. Possibly Henry Fred  Tyree (b 1921). Nobody else fits. Has to be someone in Nelson and he looks like that branch of the family, if a bit of a toothless  hayseed.

Thanks Darian. Last one, do you know who this lad is?

https://collection.nelsonmuseum.co.nz/objects?query=%22tyree+man%22