BOWLES and GOLDSMITH of Waimate South **Completed**

[Koromo]

James, you're right, he is listed as being 30 and not the misaligned 19! Ages on passenger lists can be extremely inaccurate, but I agree that being ~10 years out is a bit disturbing. Most passenger lists that are found online are transcribed by volunteers and I haven't a clue how many ships don't appear on the various lists - hundreds? thousands?

If Henry Giles Berryman/Berriman was a NZ government immigrant, there must have been an official record kept somewhere. Does anyone know if such records still exist?

Bren, I have been in contact with the person you rang and she is checking through her info. 

Cheers
Koromo

[James - Cornwall]

Maybe someone out there will come up with the answer to that one Koromo ... fingers crossed!!

James

[DotBrennan]

Hi Koromo

So glad you have made contact.  I've been wondering how you got on.

I got an email last night in reply to a letter I wrote a couple of weeks ago.  The first EVER reply to the dozens I have written, so I'm anxiously waiting for them to get back to me next week.

Bren.

[Koromo]

James, ArchivesNZ hold some records for government-assisted immigrants, but unfortunately they are not online. See http://www.archives.govt.nz/docs/pdfs/Ref_Guide_Migration.pdf


Bren: I have now been to a LDS centre and understand what it's like to search through films. I knew the dates of the people I was looking up, but everyone says to look at the source of the IGI entries just in case there is any more detail. Sadly, there wasn't! Never mind, I've learned a lot. I'm going back on Saturday with a digital camera to see if I can get a reasonable shot of the parish register entries on the film reader's screen - then a quick dash to watch a certain rugby match!

Through the Bowles descendant you phoned, we are still working out who Polly was and I am coming back to thinking she was Mary Redman Bowles. However, Fanny Basshaba Bowles is still a mystery - it's possible that she is from an entirely different Bowles family and I would need to get her marriage cert to verify her parents. Trouble is, I have other priorities with regards to buying more certs - she might have to remain on hold for the moment.

Delighted to hear that all your letter writing has come to fruition at last. Such patience! Hope it turns into a goldmine of information for you.

Regards
Koromo

[James - Cornwall]

Thanks Koromo ... will follow that up!

Have been contacted by a Henry Giles BERRYMAN descendant ...who sent me details of their family ..they listed Mary Redman Berryman (nee BOWLES) , with Polly in brackets after the name - the lady who sent it to me's husband was their Great Grandson ...so hopefully that might prove useful to you.
James

[DotBrennan]

Hi Koromo

Don’t know if this will help or confuse things even more, but here are the details of the ITM for Fanny BOWLES:

James Augustus Boyd, Bachelor, Painter, 21, Wellington, 18yrs
Fanny Barshaba BOWLES, Spinster, d Jesse BOWLES Porirua Rd Labourer, 18, Wellington, 18yrs
Primitive Methodist Chapel, Sydney St; Rev R WARD
Jesse BOWLES, father, gave permission for the bride to marry.

Bren.

[Koromo]

Hello Bren

I think you have solved the mystery of Fanny, and you've saved me $20! With the wrong father's name, and at 18 years old and resident for 18 years, she has to have been born in NZ in ~1856 which is 3 years before 'my' Bowles family emigrated from the UK. Pity she doesn't belong - Basshaba/Barshaba is an interesting name to have on one's tree.

According to the Berryman descendant, Mary Redman Bowles was also known as Mary Manchester after her mother married again but didn't get on with her step-father and went to live with the Goldsmiths in Waimate. She became known as Mary Goldsmith for a while before reverting to her Bowles name whilst teaching there. No wonder there is such confusion over these two families!

Thank you for taking the time to look for the ITM. I can stop wondering about Fanny now.

Regards
Koromo

[Carole25]

Hi Koromo,
James Nind, who married Ellen Blackmore (nee Day) in 1905; is my great grandmother's uncle and I have information on him.

regards Carole

[Koromo]

Hi Carole and welcome to Rootschat!   

So, James Nind is one of your family - he has such an unusual name. I have his death on 28 Nov 1915, Waimate, but I would be interested to know his birthdate and where born. Was his first wife an Emma?

Helen Nind (previously Blackmore, formerly Mayfield, née Day) had a daughter by her first marriage to Robert Mayfield in Kent. She was Ellen Eliza Ann Mayfield, b. 1866. Do you know if she ended up in NZ as well?

This thread has become the repository of info about members of the Waimate Bowles/Day families, and I'm delighted that you have happened along too!

Regards
Koromo