BOWLES and GOLDSMITH of Waimate South **Completed**

[Kea]

Hi Koromo,

I will try and get back to the library later this week and will have another look at the cards for Bowles and Goldsmith but I don't think the records extend to churches that far south (Waimate).

Stephanie

[Kea]

Hi again!

Check out this cemetery database for Waimate. Some of your Bowles are on it.

http://www.waimatedc.govt.nz/Council/community/cemeteries.htm

Stephanie

[Koromo]

Stephanie, I'd looked at the Waimate cemetery records before, but not recently. Thank you for reminding me - I've found more people to do with the new names that you and Bren have discovered.    It's good of you offer to check the card index again - I'm frantically trying to think of any other family who might be there, but they do all seem to have moved southwards.

Bren, we will be visiting my OH's family in Norfolk, so I arranged for the films to be sent to Kings Lynn. On the rare occasions we do get down to London for a day trip, we tend to be IN a museum or taking a trip on the Thames or something. I don't think I could get away with spending the day there at the LDS!

Many thanks to you both.

K.

[DotBrennan]

Hi Koromo

2 x ITM

5 November 1889
Henry Giles BERRYMAN, Widower, Draper, 30, Waimate, 6 yrs
Mary Redman BOWLES, Spinster,,26, Waimate, 9 mths,
@ Residence of Saml Wm Goldsmith, Waimate, Wm G. Thomas, Wesleyan

3 August 1880
John James LEWIS, Bachelor, Wesleyan Minister, 35, Waimate, 6mths
Minnie Ellen Goldsmith BOWLES, Spinster, Teacher, 21, Waimate, 18 mths,
@Wesleyan Church, Waimate, xxxxx Reid, Wesleyan Minister

Probate for Henry Giles BERRYMAN, died at Nelson 31 August 1942.
retired Sheep-farmer, born Porthmear, England
son Frederick Roberts BERRYMAN of Motupiko, sheep farmer, trustee
(born at Ashburton)
after paying debts, residue of estate to wife, Mary Redman BERRYMAN – if pre-decease him then to son.

Bren.

[Koromo]

Yes! It's all tying up so nicely!

Minnie and her Wesleyan minister husband were posted up to Napier shortly after their marriage and then to Christchurch, so it makes sense that her sister Mary Redman was married at Samuel W Goldmsith's house. And you checked the Berryman probate too! I will have a happy time this morning looking for Henry B on the UK censuses.

Bren, I am so grateful for all the time you've spent chasing my family around. I'm really chuffed!

Regards
Koromo

[Kea]

Hi Koromo,

I looked up the two probates for you.

John William BOWLES, Labourer, died 15 March 1894

Left everything to his brother Willie Goldsmith BOWLES of Waimate.
(So he is "yours"!)
William MANCHESTER provided an affidavit.

Ann Eliza GOLDSMITH, died 11 July 1913

There is a beautifully handwritten will which you might like to order a copy of but I noted the main points.

Executors and trustees: William MANCHESTER, farmer of Waimate and James NIND, Gardener of Waimate. (Her brother as you will see...)
If James NIND predeceases her, Richard HUTT, Tailor, in his place.

The residue of her estate to be put in trust and from that the trustees are to pay the following:

Methodist Church, Waimate - 10 pounds
Methodist Sunday School, Waimate - 10 pounds
Church choir - 10 pounds
Ladies Benevolent Society - 10 pounds
Minnie Ellen Goldsmith LEWIS, wife of John J LEWIS (Weslyan Minister - 200 pounds
Ellen NIND, wife of James - 30 pounds
Caroline ARCHER, widow of Isaac ARCHER, farmer of Waimate - 100 pounds
Olive KELCHER, wife of Thomas William KELCHER of Hurstlea, 50 pounds
Geoffry GRAY, Harold GRAY and Eileen GRAY, the children of Joseph GRAY, schoolmaster, - each 70 pounds
Elizabeth KING, wife of Walter of Ormondville - 20 pounds
Mary Redman BERRYMAN, wife of Henry Giles BERRYMAN of Mount Noble - 20 pounds
Henry Giles BERRYMAN - 10 pounds
Emily MANCHESTER, wife of Henry MANCHESTER, Gardener, Waimate - 20 pounds
Joy MANCHESTER, his daughter - 5 pounds
Edwin GOLDSMITH, Draper of Hastings - 50 pounds
William, Stella and Alice GOLDSMITH, children of the late William GOLDSMITH - 100 pounds each
Emma OLIVER of Timaru - 10 pounds
The trustees - 5 pounds each

She also made a special note that any money given to females was for her sole and separate use!
In a codicil to the will she also left:
To her sister Caroline ARCHER, her gold watch and chain, brooches and clothes.
To Mrs McElary and her daughter all her books.
To her brother and sister James and Helen NIND all moneys after expenses paid.

The witness to the will was Arthur James MANCHESTER

So .... lots of names to go on! I hope it all fits together for you!
Interesting that Ann's brother is a NIND and you thought her maiden name was DAY!

I also had another look at the cards in the library and found two marriages and a birth for children of William Goldsmith BOWLES and Mary Jane. Do you want those too?
Also some other Goldsmiths in and around Christchurch but Ithink they're from Norfolk.

Cheers,
Stephanie

[Koromo]

Stephanie! I'm stunned! I can't get my head around all this!

The entry for Samuel William Goldsmith in the NZ Cyclopedia of 1903 (linked in my first post) says, "In 1852 he married a daughter of the late Mr William Day, of Deal."

On FreeBMD there is a marriage for Samuel William Goldmsmith to Ann Eliza Day in 1852 in Lambeth (where he was living).

Is Ann Eliza (née Nind) a second wife - if so, why did he have to marry two women with the same christian names, it's too confusing!

It's going to take me a while to work through all this - and it's great that John William Bowles is part of the family too. Yes, I would very be interested in the other cards for William Goldsmith Bowles' children et al. I will take your advice and order that probate, along with more certificates - this could bankrupt me!!

You can't have had time to do anything else today except look up other people's requests.
Thank you so much. You and Bren have been brilliant!

Regards
Koromo

[Kea]

Hi Koromo,

You're welcome. Seems I've thrown a spanner in the works! Could it be that the Ninds are half brothers and sisters to  Ann Eliza and she really was a Day and her mother remarried? What about finding her other sister Caroline Archer's maiden name? Nind is such an unusual name - it can't be too hard to find more info on the family?

From the cards:

Marriage: BOWLES, Clarence, 22 years, farmer of Rangiora, born Waimate and TURNER, Edith Travers, 20 years, domestic duties, born Rangiora.
Married at Parish Church Rangiora 18 June 1919.
Groom's parents: Willam Goldsmith BOWLES and Mary Jane
Bride's: Henry TURNER, printer and Emily Selina nee STEPHENS

Baptism: BOWLES, William Bernard. Born 9 May 1895. Baptised 1 August 1895 in Rangiora.
Parents: Willie Goldsmith BOWLES and Mary Jane

Marriage: BOWLES, Winifred Harriet, 25 yrs, dentist's assistant, born Waimate and WRIGHT, Frank Basil, 26 yrs, farmer born Wainui, Banks Peninsula. Married at Parish Curch Rangiora 10 Sept 1919. Both resident Rangiora.
Bride's parents: William Goldsmith BOWLES and  Mary Jane
Groom's: Mark WRIGHT, farmer and Charlotte nee MAHNKE

There was also a burial of a Henry James BOWLES, 23 Jan 1892, resident of Temuka, aged 28 years. Buried at Linwood Cemetery in Christchurch.
Don't know if he's one of yours?

Cheers,
Stephanie

[Koromo]

To her brother and sister James and Helen NIND all moneys after expenses paid.

If it was to her brother-in-law and sister James and Helen Nind, that would work.

So far, have found two lots of Nind arriving in NZ in 1874: James & Emma with son Joseph, and Joseph & Ellen, all from Northampton.

You're right, Caroline's marriage to Isaac Archer should shed some light.

I don't think that the Henry James Bowles you found on the card index is one of mine.

(Still searching all over the place!  )
K.