BOWLES and GOLDSMITH of Waimate South **Completed**

[Koromo]

Greetings

I'm in search of info about two families in Waimate:

Backgound:
On the 1841 census from Deal, Kent, there is a family including two daughters:
Ann Eliza Day, b. 1826
Elizabeth Day, b. 1828

Ann Eliza Day married Samuel William Goldsmith in Lambeth Surrey 1852, and emigrated to NZ on the Strathallan in 1858/9, arriving Timaru.

Elizabeth Day married John Jones Bowles in Deal [Eastry] Kent 1850, and emigrated to NZ on the Mystery in 1858/9, arriving Lyttelton and then moving down to Timaru.

Both families finally ended up in Waimate.

Elizabeth (Day) and John J Bowles had 5 children, one of them called Minnie Ellen (my g-grandmother) b. 1859, Lyttelton.

John J Bowles died 1867. His widow Elizabeth married again in 1869. Some notes left by my mother state that Minnie was adopted "in her late teens" by Mr and Mrs Goldsmith, but clearly did not know that Elizabeth Bowles and Ann Goldsmith were/might have been sisters. Minnie became Minnie Ellen Goldsmith Bowles - I believe a younger brother Willie [Goldsmith] Bowles was similarly adopted, all this before legal adoption procedures were in place in NZ. [/list]

Before I start splashing out on certificates/probates to help verfiy that Elizabeth and Ann Eliza really were sisters, may I ask for some BMD look-ups, please. Their UK marriage certs will only give their fathers' names, but I'm after their mothers' names too.

1910 death for Elizabeth Manchester (formerly Bowles, née Day)
1913 death for Ann Eliza Goldsmith (née Day)
1869 marriage for Elizabeth Bowles (née Day) to William Manchester (probably no parents' names!)
1859 birth for Minnie (Ellen) Bowles, Lyttelton (I think)
c1867 birth for Willie/William Bowles, somewhere in Canterbury 
c1860s birth for Samuel William Goldsmith (possible son of Ann) and/or c1880s marriage
any electoral roll info for the above names in Waimate

I already have Minnie's 1880 marriage cert, but there are no parents' names for either bride or groom — grrrrrr!

All the evidence I've found so far feels right, but I'm at the stage where I need more definitive proof.

Some refs:
1841 HO107/466/2/36/17 (Day)
1851 HO107/1631/781/20 (Day), HO107/1631/832/25 (Bowler/Bowles)
1903 NZ Cyclopedia entry for Samuel William Goldsmith
I can see there are probates of some of my Goldsmiths/Bowles on the Archway Archives.

Cheers
Koromo

[DotBrennan]

Hi Koromo

Before I start splashing out on certificates/probates to help verfiy that Elizabeth and Ann Eliza really were sisters, may I ask for some BMD look-ups, please. Their UK marriage certs will only give their fathers' names, but I'm after their mothers' names too.

You do realise that the BMD indexes will only confirm (or not) that the event took place in a certain year and the registration district, ie no parents names??

Bren.

[Kea]

Hi Koromo,

I was in at the ChCh Library this morning and found this on the card index:

BOWLES Minnie Ellen Goldsmith, born 26 April 1859, babtised 19 May 1859, Holy Trinity Church, Lyttelton
Parents: John Jones Bowles and Elizabeth Bowles.
Occupation: Mariner
Residence: Timaru

Also found a marriage:
Rangiora, 14 Nov 1892
BOWLES Willie Goldsmith, 26 yrs, born Timaru, farmer,  and WYCHERLEY Mary Jane Paget, 35 years, born West Indies
Parents: John Jones Bowles and Elizabeth Manchester Bowles nee Day
Captain Thomas Bernard Wycherley and Harriet Ann nee Card
Marriage took place at Wycherley residence, Rangiora.

Quite a few other Goldsmiths but ran out of time!

Stephanie

[Koromo]

Sorry, Bren. I've sort of put up my working list of certs which might have useful info on them, ie parents' names etc, and I kept on adding notes to myself!    I have seen a Bowles tree, but I've found errors and omissions on it and I hoped to check a date or two (and clarify my thinking) before ordering any certs.

Stephanie, thank you very much for looking up the card index.  I'm a bit troubled now as it seems Minnie was given her Goldsmith name at birth, whereas I'd expected that she took on the name after being adopted by the Goldsmiths.

A Google on Wycherley in Rangiora brought up May Jane Paget Bowle's death in 1899, and her father had been captain of a ship named the Sir Edward Paget which made one passage to Canterbury  - so that's all interesting!

Regards
Koromo

[DotBrennan]

Hi Koromo

don't know if this is going to help or hinder, but here goes....:

1910 death for Elizabeth Manchester (formerly Bowles, née Day)
2201, Sep qtr, Waimate
1913 death for Ann Eliza Goldsmith (née Day)
2339, Sep qtr, Waimate

No BOWLES births 1840 – 1855, 1857, 1859, 1862, 1864, 1867

1856
BOWLES, Unnamed female, 51, Wellington

1858
BOWLES, Unnamed female, 97, Wellington

1859
GOLDSMITH, Frederick William, 55, Turanga
1859 birth for Minnie (Ellen) Bowles, Lyttelton (I think) - can't find!
(Is it possible she was born in the UK?)

1860
BOWLES, Caroline Rachel, 132, Wellington
BOWLES, Winifred Reid, 5014, Auckland
c1860s birth for Samuel William Goldsmith (possible son of Ann) – can't find!
(see 1866 BOWLES birth, could this be one and the same person….??)

1861
BOWLES, John William, 353, Timaru

1862
GOLDSMITH, Alfred George, 95, Turanga

1863
BOWLES, Mary Redman, 433, Timaru
GOLDSMITH, Albert Edward, 6842, Auckland

1865
BOWLES, Catherine, 570, Dunedin
GOLDSMITH, Female (unnamed), 9542, Auckland

1866
BOWLES, John Patrick, 870, Dunedin
BOWLES, Willie Goldsmith, 679, Timaru
c1867 birth for Willie/William Bowles, somewhere in Canterbury   

1867
GOLDSMITH, Mary Ann, 55, Auckland
GOLDSMITH, Oliver George, 319, Turanga


Bren.

[Koromo]

Hi Bren

It does help, really!

How strange that Minnie Ellen G Bowles' birth isn't there, when she appears on the card index that Stephanie found. The ship on which her family came to NZ arrived in Lyttelton on 29-30 March 1859, so she was born 27 days later - perhaps they didn't know where the registry office was, or she is registered under an entirely different name!

Mary Redman Bowles might be mine too - there was another daughter known as Polly ...

Samuel William Goldsmith may have been born in the UK. His parents married (he of Lambeth, she of Deal, Kent) in 1852, and there are two possibles on FreeBMD born in 1857 but in Loddon, Norfolk which is confusing.

Thank you very much for checking through all those years.

Regards
Koromo

[DotBrennan]

Hi Koromo

I didn't read Stephanies reply until now as I took a note of what you wanted on Friday then had a quick look on Saturday morning before I went out and only read the first sentence to confirm that you did want the indexes checked.

I guess there are several options:
1. I missed the entry
(prior to 1862 the records are in several formats, which if you get distracted, it would be possible to miss an entry, eg. 1840-58 the years are grouped together with all "As" combined, then from 1859-61 they are on the one fiche BUT you will have a separate page of As for 1859, 60, & 61 on the one fiche....
The old brain is not as agile as it used to be...
2. She wasn't registered
3. As you say, she was registered under another surname.

Mary Redman BOWLES married in 1889 - Henry Giles BERRYMAN
(incase that name rings any bells...)
No marriages for a "Polly"

Doing a search for Goldsmith BOWLES marriages it gives the following:
1943 Irene Goldsmith to William DON
1945 Marjorie Goldsmith to John Raymond MOIR
1880 Minnie Ellen Goldsmith - you already know.
1892 Willie Goldsmith - Stephanie has already given you.

If I have time on Wednesday, I will check the ITM for Minnie Ellen & Mary Redman for you.

Bren.

[Koromo]

1945 Marjorie Goldsmith to John Raymond MOIR

What got me looking at the Goldsmith/Bowles families again was receiving a few days ago a photocopy of a photocopy of a page from some booklet(?) about Waimate - the sort of thing that is produced for a town or school centennary. It has an unrecognisable (ie. almost solid black!) photo of Waimate School Staff labelled 1882 which includes Miss P Bowles and Miss M Bowles. In the margin in my uncle's handwriting it says:

    "From Marjorie Moir (née Goldsmith) Dunedin. Her grandmother and ours were sisters - Bowles"

I was so pleased to see that my suspicion that Ann Goldsmith and Elizabeth Bowles were sisters was probably correct, but now I can't work out the relationships. If Marjorie Moir was a Goldmsith Bowles (not just a Goldsmith), 'her grandmother and ours' must be the same woman. I must have screwed something up somewhere. I will have to bite the bullet and order their death certs and cross my fingers that the informants were very well-informed.

I am becoming more convinced that Mary Redman is Polly ... I've now found Mary and Henry Berryman's burials in Nelson's online cemetery records, and their son Stanley on the Commonwealth Graves and Auckland Cenotaph sites.

In a couple of weeks I'll be visiting England where I have arranged to view some parish registers at a LDS Family History Centre for the first time ever, so I will have first-hand experience of what it's like searching through film/fiche records - I'm quite nervous!  I must find out how long it would take to get NZ film/fiche for a future visit.

Thank you, Bren.

Regards
K.

[DotBrennan]

Hi Koromo

Good luck with your trip and the research.
If you are going to the Hyde Park LDS FHC in London which is near the British Museum, they have a huge room full of filing cabinets containing films which are permanently on-site.

Bren.