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Re: What Happend to Thomas NEWTON?
« Reply #90 on: Sunday 02 September 07 08:55 BST (UK) »
Hi
From mail from Canada Sarah Susan Jane - Thomas Haslam had daughter listed as Ann Haslam but could be Grace Ann

The last marriage confirmed for Mary is to a John Bennett b. 1839

Children:

Jane Bennett b. 1883

John Bennett b. 1884

Edith Bennett b. 1886

Alfred Thomas Bennett b. 1891

Big Gap between Edith and Alfred

Cant wait for certs either expensive but I think it will be worth it in the end.

Also Thomas son George Septimus had 5 children Frank, Charles, George, May and Edith? not sure on this name. We know Frank was born in Ireland as was May but never found any births for the others, They were born there as George in Army and stationd at the Curragh Camp Southern Ireland. When he died in 1904 his widow Sarah Jane married again in 1906 to a guy called Edwin Bishop who was 20 years older than her also he had about 10 children from previous marriage and then they had 4 or 5 more, maybe up to 20 children in Total. What a family!! 
Joy in Canada will forward what documents she has via email this week. including photo of all the family.
We had our holiday weekend last weekend spent monday on the beach.

Speak soon
Val
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Re: What Happend to Thomas NEWTON?
« Reply #91 on: Sunday 02 September 07 16:30 BST (UK) »
Hi Val

you forgot a daughter  ;D

in 1901;
Mary Bennett was living with John (18), Alfred (10) and NELLIE aged 6

Nellie Bennett
Oct q 1894
Plymouth, devon
vol 5b pg 215

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Re: What Happend to Thomas NEWTON?
« Reply #92 on: Sunday 02 September 07 17:14 BST (UK) »
THis thread never ceases to amaze me  - so Mary's daughter Susan gets through husbands in the same way!

Perhaps her mum taught her how to cook ...

if my son ever announces his intention to marry a Bennet or a Newton or a Mumford, I will warn him!
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Re: What Happend to Thomas NEWTON?
« Reply #93 on: Sunday 02 September 07 17:33 BST (UK) »
Hiya Liz

I cannot get over how Mary Blackler/Newton marries Richard Saunders in the 1st quarter 1881, Richard the dies in 2nd quarter 1881, 3rd quarter Mary has a quiet period , then married Mr Bennett in the 4th quarter of 1881.....

Blimey ...something had to be going on ... :o ::)

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: What Happend to Thomas NEWTON?
« Reply #94 on: Sunday 02 September 07 21:32 BST (UK) »
 :)

Still looking for Thomas b 1849 sutton in Ashfield , Notts

I am stumped ... I have followed his brother, Edwin Newton (married twice  ;D), hoping that Thomas may have been lodging with him .... No luck! he is also not with his Mum, Grace who is transcribed under Wills and not Wells.

I had found a Thomas born in right place with a wife and child , but his age was off by 10 years ...... geezzzzzz......

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: What Happend to Thomas NEWTON?
« Reply #95 on: Monday 03 September 07 18:34 BST (UK) »
HI Deb

Well have spent the day (day off) trying to unravel the mystery of our family no luck !!!checked all Thomas, Edwin Newtons cencus even tried Tomas. Maybe we will learn more from certs hope so. Think I may send for death certs of Mumford, Saunders and Bennett just out of interest to see what they died of maybe all the same !!

Val

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Re: What Happend to Thomas NEWTON?
« Reply #96 on: Monday 03 September 07 23:57 BST (UK) »
Hi Val

Hopefully the marriage certs of Thomas newton's other 2 children will show us whether he is alive or deceased at the time, if he is alive they may even show us that he may well have a new occupation ...maybe he went back to being a Frame work knitter :)

The death certs would be FAB ... and hopefully will tell us what was happening .... Liz and I can't wait for these ... maybe it will give us an understanding of what Mary was going through...OR even what the husbands were going through...... :)

Thomas doesn't seem to want to be found...... ::)  we won't give up though....

What certs have you sent off for ...just the marriages ?  If mary states on her marriage that she is a widow, when marrying Richard Saunders,oops I mean Charles Mumford,  then we will have to assume she is telling the truth and find an appropriate death for Thomas Newton...which Liz may have found in one of her earlier postings.
Did marriage certs ALWAYS state if the father was deceased or not...or was just his name sufficient for the record?

looking forward to the 5th ..... please post info IMMEDIATELY and put us out of our misery LOL hee hee ;D

Deb in suspense
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: What Happend to Thomas NEWTON?
« Reply #97 on: Tuesday 04 September 07 08:57 BST (UK) »
Unfortunately certs dont always tell the truth either, it is only what the person says to the registrar.

So the children's marriage certs may NOT say deceased, when he was, if they didnt mention it and the registrar ddint specifically ask.
OR, they may say deceased when he wasnt - if Thomas had done a runner and the children had been brought up to believe their father was deceased.

And Mary may well say 'widow', if she is actually committing bigamy. she isnt likely to say 'I'm already married' ! If she did, then the marriage would not take place.

but, I'm not meaning to be a misery-guts! Getting the certs is defintely the right way to go on this. Our starting point must be to take what they said the situation was, even if later we prove it is wrong.
It would be a recipe for disaster to 'assume' that they are lying, and to 'assume' that something else is the truth - likely to go off on all sorts of wild geese chases with absolutley no evidence to back it up, and then wonder why, further down the line something doesnt tie in, and then frantically trying to 'bend' the evidence or make further unconfirmed assumptions to make it all fit!

lecture over ...... sorry all
Think the tension is getting to me, just cant wait to see what all the certs say! remember to post all the details for us - ooohh did you say the first lot were due the 5th, thats tomoz!! But there is another thread somewhere saying that certs seem to be taking longer than they say, so let's all keep calm and think in terms of next week sometime, then if they do come earlier than that it will be a bonus.
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Re: What Happend to Thomas NEWTON?
« Reply #98 on: Tuesday 04 September 07 12:59 BST (UK) »
Hi All
If Thomas did go off quite possible as according to my dad all newtons were rouges and womanisers!!! I orderd Mary/  Mumford Thomas and Mary in this first batch this week, my get Mumford Death cert this week and Saunders just to see what they died of!! somthing in the tea maybe!! second batch Sarah Susan / Haslam, Charles John/ Avery but sure he was married before and another Newton marriage before Chares N / Avery may not be connected though just a chance one. Try to order death certs today later on. My partner thinks I am mad to order, His family are proving to be just as difficult though coming to a full stop in London in 1859

Val
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