What Happend to Thomas NEWTON?

[Valley]

Hi
My father never spoke about his family and I can see why to complicated to go into all he ever said what do you want to know about them for!! perhaps he was as confused as we are!

[lizdb]

I dont know if it helps, but I have been trying to get all these children in to some sort of organised chronilogical order - bit of a struggle, but here goes!!

George

1871 - George Newton, age 2
1881 - George Septimus Newton, age 12
1891 & 1901 not with mum

Sarah

1871 - Sarah Newton, age 8 months
1881 - Sarah Susan Jane Newton, age 10
1891 - Sarah Haslon (married) age 21
1901 - not with mum

Charles Nicholas

1881  - Charles Nicholas Saunders, age 9

Charles John

1881 - Charles John Newton, age 8
1891 - John Newton, no age

William Richard

1881 - William Richard Saunders, age 7


Agnes Maud

1881 - Agnes Maud Mumford, age 6
1891 - Agnes Mumford, age 16
1901 - Agnes Newton, age 25

Charles James

1881 - Charles James Mumford. age 4
1891 - James Mumford, age 15
1901 - James Newton, age 23

George Nicholas

1881 - George Nicholas Saunders, age 3

Annie MAud

1881 - Alice Maud Saunders, age 3

Jane

1891 - Jane Bennet, age 8

John

1891 - John Bennet, age 7
1901 - John Bennet, age 18

Edith

1891 - Edith Bennet, age 5

Alfred

1891 - Alfred Thomas Bennet. age 2 months
1901 - Alfred Bennet age 10

Nellie

1901 Nellie Bennet, age 6

[Valley]

Hi
Thanks for that seems sometimes they were newtons sometimes mumfords found marriage for mary Saunders and Bennett 1881 OND Qtr
Perhaps Thomas just went off never came back. George S would have been in Army in 1891 1901 he was in India and South Africa and had good friend here in Sussex a guy called H Garrett he married his half sister in 1897

[lizdb]

Conclusions:

The two Mumford children, on reaching their teens, took the surname Newton.

Charles John Newton, and Charles James Mumford used their middle names once Charles Nicholas Saunders arrived on the scene.

[Valley]

Hi
Think will call a day for today seems to get more complicated by the minute
Speak soon maybe I will find something out will send for Thomas and mary marriage cert may tell us a little more maybe not

Val

[deb usa]

I was trying to find a 1st wife for Richard Saunders ... I was thinking that she was maybe a'Nicholas' as both boys had the same middle name .... to no avail ...maybe I should recheck ...maybe they were married earlier than their first child, Charles Nicholas Saunders . CN Saunders was 9 in the 1881 census, so born abt 1873....

maybe I should look for children born prior to 1873 with Nicholas Saunders as part of their name ...

ummmm

deb  

[deb usa]

Hi Liz and val and everyone 

Okay , I am even having trouble finding birth registrations;

I think these may be correct:
Annie Maud T SANDERS Dec q 1877 Plymouth
Nicholas Charles T SANDERS june q 1871 plymouth (why did he swap his name around ...that is if he is the correct Sanders/Saunders  )

I cannot find George Nicholas SAUNDERS/SANDERS  ...ummmm  just rechecked 1881 census ...sorry I made a mistake George Nicholas Saunders was 5 and not 3, so born 1876 (I was thinking that Alice maud and George Nicholas were twins as I had them both as 3 years old in 1881 ooops sorry ! )

still not able to find George's birth

deb

[deb usa]

 

there is also a William Richard T SANDERS
mar 1873, Plymouth


Whats with the "T" in their names .... there are a few others born Plymouth around that time with the "T" in it ...I will check to see if they died as they were not in any of the census ...

anyway ..I have to cook dinner , I must admit I don't want to , I would rather be sniffing around a mystery LOL 

sorry have got carried away and forgot to look for your Thomas NEWTON , Val .... I will be back on the hunt soon ...

deb

[lizdb]

Just looking through the dates again. I reckon none of the Saunders children are Mary's (Charles, William, George, and Annie Maud) but all his children from a previois marriage. She took them all on early in 1881, but then he dies!!! none of the Saunders children seem to stay with her by 1891, they are all resonably grown up, so may have made their own way in the world, or they may have gone to live with other Saunders rellies after their father's death, not having been with Mary and her brood long enough to have bonded with them as family.

If you take the Saunders children out of the equation, it leaves:
George, Sarah and Charles Newton
then married Mumford 1873
has Agnes and Charles Mumford
then briefly married Saunders in 1881 and takes on his brood just over the census time
then marries Bennet in 1881
has Jane, John, edith, Alfred and Nellie.

Still complicated, but I think .... well ... maybe... it is just a little.... a very little....clearer in my own mind!