What Happend to Thomas NEWTON?

[deb usa]

Hi Val

Hope you are having a good weekend ...

Well at least from those certs we know that Thomas Died  When though ...arrrgggghhhhhhh will we ever find him ??!!!!!!

I did notice that his son named him Thomas JOHN Newton ... I don't recall any of the census stating that ....maybe we should also look for a death under John T Newton .... clutching at straws ...did you order the death cert that liz gave us a while back?

So - we have established that Thomas had a link with Nottinghamshire.

We have established that (if he is the father of Charles John Newton born O/N/D 1872) he must have been alive early 1872.
If the Mumford marriage we have found is correct, Mary remarries Jan/Feb/Mar 1873.

So - the 'window' in which could have died is fairly narrow.

Soooooo
this death from FreeBMD COULD be a possible:

JAn/Feb/MAr 1872 Radford Nottingham ref 7b 147

-maybe on leave from the navy, visiting rellies and ... whoops... got run over by bus / had heart attack / succomed to beri-beri caught whilst abroad in the Navy / whatever.

Well - can anyone else do better? !!!!! 

deb

Ps LIZZZZZZ where are you ? 

[lizdb]

Hi!
Evening all!

I'm here.

Just summising on the fact that if we have our doubts as to whether Charles was actually Thomas's son, then that would widen the 'window' for Thomas's death.

But then we may be getting too fanciful! Without knowing Thomas's death we cannot prove that Charles isnt his (have we got Charles birth cert on order?) and really, having used HIS dad's name and HER dad's name for first two sons, then they could have branched out to more distant rellies names for the next one, and we really dont know if Mary had a great uncle Charles she was particularly close to, or not!!!

I'm waiting for those death certs to see what all those husbamds died of

[deb usa]

Hi Liz ... 

I will search for a CHARLES hee hee.... I have been on National Archives ...lots of Blackler stuff there ...also I wonder if Val is interested to go even further back .....Mary's dad was George Blackler who married Sarah Cowley ,,,that may be interesting to see ..... also the Newton side !


deb 

[Valley]

Hi All
Below is Newton Family

1.  SEPTIMUS1 NEWTON was born 1809 in Heanor, Derby.  He married GRACE BEMBRIDGE 04 Jul 1836 in Duffield.  She was born 1808 in Horsley, Derby. I did have some help with this from Rele of Edwin Newton Still no mention of Thomas only Bith on first part

Children of SEPTIMUS NEWTON and GRACE BEMBRIDGE are:

                   i.    WILLIAM2 NEWTON, b. 1839, Holbrook.

2.               ii.    EDWIN NEWTON, b. 1843, Holbrook Delphine.

                 iii.    THOMAS NEWTON, b. 1848, Holbrook.

 Generation No. 2

2.  EDWIN2 NEWTON (SEPTIMUS1) was born 1843 in Holbrook Delphine.  He married (1) MARY UNKNOWN.  She was born 1845 in Nottinghamshire, and died 1885.  He married (2) ANN BEST 1886 in Nottingham.  She was born Abt. 1843 in Nottinghamshire.

Notes for EDWIN NEWTON:

1871 - 89 Wood Street, Hinckley - Warehouseman

1881 -

1891 - 8 clarendon Park Rd, Knighton - Hosiery

More About EDWIN NEWTON:

Christening: Holbrook
Notes for MARY UNKNOWN:

1871 - Hinckley

1881 -58 Oakham Street, Leicester St Mary

1891 - Edwin remarried to Ann

Notes for ANN BEST:

1891 - listed as Edwin's Wife.  Previous to this, has been Mary

Children of EDWIN NEWTON and MARY UNKNOWN are:

                   i.    MATILDA3 NEWTON, b. Abt. 1870, Leicstershire.

                  ii.    ALFRED NEWTON, b. 1872, Hinckley.

Notes for ALFRED NEWTON:

1891 - 8 Clarendon Park Road, Knighton

Paralysis from birth? - hard to read comment on census

               iii.    ELIZA NEWTON, b. 1874, Hinckley.

Notes for ELIZA NEWTON:

1891 8 Clarendon Park Rd, Knighton, Hosiery

3.              iv.    EDWIN NEWTON, b. 1875, Hinckley; d. 30 Jan 1938, 5 Wall Lane, Hinckley.

                  v.    WILLIAM H NEWTON, b. Abt. 1878, Leicestershire.

                 vi.    EMILY M NEWTON, b. Abt. 1884, Carlton, Nottinghamshire.

 Generation No. 3

3.  EDWIN3 NEWTON (EDWIN2, SEPTIMUS1) was born 1875 in Hinckley, and died 30 Jan 1938 in 5 Wall Lane, Hinckley.  He married CLARA MUTTON Jun 1896 in Leicester, daughter of CHARLES MUTTON and HARRIETT.  She was born 1875 in Welford, Northants.

Notes for EDWIN NEWTON:

1881 - 58 Oakham Street Leicester St Mary

1891 - Knighton - Hosiery Factory

1901 - Sutton in Ashfield Primitive Chapel? foreman hosiery factory worker

More About EDWIN NEWTON:

Cause of Death: Coronary thrombosis of the blood vessels of the heart

Medical Information: Informant to death - AH Newton - son - 25 Westfield Road, Hinckley

Occupation: 1911, Mechanic at Hosiery Factory

Residence: 1911, 9 Salem Road, Burbage

Notes for CLARA MUTTON:

1881 - 164 Back Street, Welford

1891 Lodger with Joseph and Jane Woodford - 177 Backd Couch?

1901 - Sutton in Ashfield

More About CLARA MUTTON:

Christening: 03 Feb 1875, Welford

Children of EDWIN NEWTON and CLARA MUTTON are:

                   i.    CONSTANCE MAY4 NEWTON, b. 1897, Leicester.

Notes for CONSTANCE MAY NEWTON:

1901 sutton in Ashfield

                  ii.    ARCHIBALD H NEWTON, b. 1900, Market Harborough.

 Notes for ARCHIBALD H NEWTON:

1901 - sutton in ashfield

                 iii.    STANLEY RAYMOND NEWTON, b. 1901, Sutton in Ashfield.

                 iv.    CYRIL HAYDON NEWTON, b. 1907, Hinckley.

 Notes for CYRIL HAYDON NEWTON:

Twin to Gertrude

                 v.    GERTRUDE ESMERELDA NEWTON, b. 1907, Hinckley.

4.              vi.    GEORGE DOUGLAS NEWTON, b. 03 Jun 1911, 9 Salem Road, Burbage; d. 30 Aug 1978, Leicester Royal Infirmary.

Generation No. 4

4.  GEORGE DOUGLAS4 NEWTON (EDWIN3, EDWIN2, SEPTIMUS1) was born 03 Jun 1911 in 9 Salem Road, Burbage, and died 30 Aug 1978 in Leicester Royal Infirmary.  He married ELSIE MAY BREWARD 24 Jul 1937 in Barwell Parish Church1, daughter of GEORGE BREWARD and SARAH GREWCOCK.  She was born Abt. 1918 in Unknown.

More About GEORGE DOUGLAS NEWTON:

Cause of Death (Facts Pg): 1978, Respiratory Failure and Chronic Bronchitis

Occupation: 1937, Hosiery Operative

Residence: 1978, 31 Bradgate Road, Barwell

Will look into William

[Valley]

Me Again

Just found a marriage for Agnes Mumford - Richard Lewes Childs
Father wait for it - Charles Mumford Mother Mary Blackler - Ontario Canada Mariages could not see a date cant open no acsess to this!! 

Val

[deb usa]

 Hi Val
Thanks for all that . your rellie has Thomas Newton being born in Holbrook, but Thomas in the census , states that he was born in Notts, Sutton In Ashfield. Here is the 1861 and in 1871,when he was married to Mary , he also states Notts, S in A.

hi
Here's Thomas in 1861

Thoresby st, Snelling, Notts
John WELLS head mar 60 overlooker of cotton doubins? b middlesex, Healing
Grace wife mar 54 b Derby, Coxbench?
Edwin NEWTON son 19 frame work knitter b Holbrook, Derby
THOMAS NEWTON son 14 F w knitter b Notts, Sutton in Ashfield
John Winfield Boarder

possible death:
Septimus NEWTON
mar 1858, Nottingham, Notts
vol 7b pg 144

deb

... Val I have the photos and will try to post

deb

[Valley]

Hi Deb
Thanks for that

ordered Saunders death cert but not sure about the mumford one cant seem to find right one!

[Valley]

Hi Deb
Thanks for that

ordered Saunders death cert but not sure about the mumford one cant seem to find right one!

[deb usa]

Hi Val

Okay...
Mary married Charles MUMFORD mar q 1873 and then Richard Saunders in june q 1881.

Children by Charles MUMFORD :
Agnes Maud b 1875
Charles James b 1877

So we need to find a MUMFORD death between 1877-1881.

the only one I can see is
Charles Friend MUMFORD b abt 1830 died mar q 1879, Plymton St Mary
vol 5b pg 175

On his marriage cert Charles Mumford states that he is 39 in 1873 ...b c 1833/32..... and no mention of a middle name !

umm  will look further.

Val also ...cannot post picture as we are on the "Lookup Request Boards' ... I asked on the technical boards and that was the answer ...sorry ... great pics though 

deb