St Catherine's Road, Kensington - COMPLETED

[Jillie42]

On my Gt Grandmother Mary's birth certificate in 1863 her parents Hannah and John Williams are listed as living at St Catherine's road. Kensington.

I can't find a record of this place anywhere and it doesn't seem to be listed on the 1861 census.

I really need to know where this is and what church was likely to be the the main one serving it,

thanks in advance for any help

Jillie

[Ecneps]

Hi Jillie,

Do you know when John & Hannah married, might they have been living there in the 1861 census?

Barbara

[Sylviaann]

I have found a St Ketherines Road in Notting hIll in 1888.

If you go to Streetmap or multimap and search for Royal crescent, go North up Addison Avenue.  You will see a cross for St James Church.  St Katherines Road was just above that, about where Wilsham Street is.  The Church would have been St James

This is the only one I can find in my old A-Z of Victorian London.  Someone may know better

Sylviaann

[Ruskie]

Victorian London Street Index has a St Catherines Mews in Chelsea SW3 ...

[Jillie42]

They were both living in  St Martin's Lane (no house number) when they married in 1863. They married at St Martin's in the Fields parish church. Neither of them seem to be living there on the 1861 census.

Hannah Williams (Fuller) came from Prittlewell in Essex and I have absolutely No idea how old John Williams was or where he came from as their marriage certificate simply says "Of Full Age", that he was a labourer and that his father was a carpenter called James. I know he was dead by the 1871 census and that his wife and children were living at Westminster buildings, St John the Evangelist, Westminster. I know his wife Hannah was born in 1832 so alothough she doesn't state her age she would have been about 31 when she married

On later census returns Mary does say she came from Notting Hill so the St Katherine's Road, Notting Hill might be the right one.

it's actually John that is main interest. I know his daughter, Mary went on to marry my gt grandfather Cornelius Harrington in a catholic ceremony and their children were baptised as catholics. I am wondering if Mary was baptised a catholic too. Catholic records are much harder to access so I'd like to eliminate C of E parishes first.

Of the few bachelor John Williams living in and around the Kensington/ Marylebone/Westminster area there are a couple from Ireland. If Mary wasn't baptised C of E it might make the possibilty that John was irish catholic (as were the Harringtons) more likely.

[Ecneps]

If it helps at all, here's Hannah in 1861
RG9 1084 fol.83 p.28  North St, Prittlewell, Essex
FULLER
Hannah head wid 64 Gardener's widow
Hannah  dau    s   29
Sarah Jane "    m  20
Frederick gson        7 Scholar
all born Prittlewell
+ 7 lodgers

I see your problem with John, and a death cert would help with his age, but as you obviously know, there are so many John Williams 1865-1871.

Barbara

[Jillie42]

If it helps at all, here's Hannah in 1861
RG9 1084 fol.83 p.28  North St, Prittlewell, Essex
FULLER
Hannah head wid 64 Gardener's widow
Hannah  dau    s   29
Sarah Jane "    m  20
Frederick gson        7 Scholar
all born Prittlewell
+ 7 lodgers

I see your problem with John, and a death cert would help with his age, but as you obviously know, there are so many John Williams 1865-1871.

Barbara

Cheers Barbara. I wonder who the parents of Frederick ( grandson) were? If he was Hannah's son then he doesn't appear on any subsequent census' with her and at 20 Sarah Jane seems to be young at 20 to have a 7 year old son.

[Ecneps]

I'll have a look in 1851 to see if there's more family:

HO107/1777 fol.282 p.23  North St, Prittlewell
FULLER
John            head m 53 Ag. Lab.   Cambridge
Hannah       wife  m 54                  Prittlewell
Hannah       dau   u 19                         "
John            son   u 16 Ag. Lab             "
Thomas          "       14       "                  "
Sarah           dau     10 Scholar              "

John or Thomas, then 
Barbara

[Jillie42]

I'll have a look in 1851 to see if there's more family:

HO107/1777 fol.282 p.23  North St, Prittlewell
FULLER
John            head m 53 Ag. Lab.   Cambridge
Hannah       wife  m 54                  Prittlewell
Hannah       dau   u 19                         "
John            son   u 16 Ag. Lab             "
Thomas          "       14       "                  "
Sarah           dau     10 Scholar              "

John or Thomas, then 
Barbara
 

Thanks again Barbara,

I must have already looked at this census as I've been trying to work out where in Cambridge John Fuller senior lived. I obviously didn't notice Hannah's sibblings though - stupid really since there what looks to be an M H Fuller (beautiful copperplate writing but almost impoosible to decifer) on Hannah's marriage certificate as one of the witnesses...........presumably not one of her sibblings but maybe a cousin.

I wish I locate John Williams though.