Author Topic: 1841 Census: Chorley: Joseph Markland (Read 5763 times)

garymark · « **on:** Sunday 12 August 07 09:02 BST (UK) »

Hi there, I have an ancestor Joseph Markland who married Jane Robinson. Their Children were Thomas, James, Edward and Henry. I am trying to find the birthdate of Joseph if possible. A complications is that the surname may have changed around 1850 from Martland to Markland. Cheers, gary

SandraC · « **Reply #1 on:** Sunday 12 August 07 11:22 BST (UK) »

Hi Gary

Welcome to Rootschat!

What age would your Joseph Markland / Martland have been approx in 1841 - adult or child?

What establishes him in Chorley?

This should give us something to go after

Regards
SandraC

redjed1 · « **Reply #2 on:** Sunday 12 August 07 16:48 BST (UK) »

Hi

On LDS Joseph married Jane Robinson (age20) on 26/11/1839 in Eccleston by Chorley.

Can't see them in 1841.

John

Richard Knott · « **Reply #3 on:** Sunday 12 August 07 17:00 BST (UK) »

Are you sure about the children?
There is:

HO107/526/4
Wrightington, Eccleston
Joseph Martland, 20-4, Engineer, Y
Jane Martland, 20-4, Y
Mary Martland, 6m, Y

(In 1851 their ages were 33 and the children were Mary, 10; James, 9; John, 9; Thomas, 6; Joseph, 5; Richard, 3; William, 1)
Richard

SandraC · « **Reply #4 on:** Sunday 12 August 07 17:27 BST (UK) »

Hi again

If the LDS marriage at St Mary the Virgin, Eccleston is correct, the full transcript is available on Lan-OPC, including bride & groom's fathers' names

www.lan-opc.org.uk

Also baptisms for Thomas & Joseph showing parents Joseph & Jane, abode Heskin & father's occupation engineer.

Need to hear back from Gary re his information & status of Henry / Edward

SandraC

redjed1 · « **Reply #5 on:** Sunday 12 August 07 17:36 BST (UK) »

Hi

Looks like Mary (c1841) married Thomas Atherton in 1857 in Church(?), Preston.

Twins(?) James + John were lodging with Keown family in Coppull in 1861 census. Both were engineers and both still called Martland.

John

SandraC · « **Reply #6 on:** Sunday 12 August 07 18:03 BST (UK) »

Curiouser & curioser $:-\$

1861 has Thomas [17 yrs, engineer, b Welsh Whittle] &
James [should this be Joseph?][15 yrs, engineer b Welsh Whittle] with
Edward [10 yrs b Charnock Richard] &
Henry [7 yrs b Coppull]
as stepsons of Elizabeth Markland
together with a Robert Markland aged 4 b Coppull &
two children aged 10 & 11 named Banks. Elizabeth is a widow & all at Clenkets Lane, Coppull.

So Jane Martland / Markland dies between 1851 & 1856ish & Joseph remarries or hitches up with Elizabeth Banks & then dies before April 1861 $:-\$

Marriage from 1839 would probably only show "full age" or minor but death reg should place Joseph's age a bit more clearly, if we could find it!

Regards
SandraC

SandraC · « **Reply #7 on:** Sunday 12 August 07 18:18 BST (UK) »

Righto!

Lancashirebmd has a death of Joseph Martland in 1860 at Chorley sub-district aged 44 years.

This fits with the BMD entry Q4 1860 Chorley.

So Joseph Martland b abt 1816.

Can't see a baptism though on IGI or BIVRI, sorry

Death of Jane Martland is 1853 Chorley aged 35 [lancashireBMD] but it doesn't appear on freeBMDs

Still can't see the marriage to widow Banks

SandraC

garymark · « **Reply #8 on:** Sunday 12 August 07 20:51 BST (UK) »

Wow!, Thanks for all that effort on my behalf! Much appreciated. Let's see if I can give a bit more information to go on:

Joseph Markland had a son Henry Markland.
I have Henry's marriage certificate: Married to Mary Elizabeth Collinson on 25th October 1873 in Saint George's Church in the Parish of Chorley. His father Joseph is shown as an Engineer. Henry was twenty at the time so Jospeh was married before 1853. And we know his name was Joseph MARKLAND. Now a complicated bit. A probable surname miss-spelling in the records:

When looking for Henry Markland's birth certificate I found no Henry Markland born around 1853 in Chorley. However, there was a Henry Markley born on 25th April 1853 in Chorley. That Henry's father was a Joseph Markley: I suspect that Joseph Markley and Joseph Markland are the same person. There are dozens of Marklands listed in the Vital records for Chorley in the 1800's, however, there are only two Markley's recorded. One is Joseph Markley and the other is his son Henry Markley. The birthdate of 25 April 1853 for Henry Markley corresponds to the birthdate of Henry Markland calculated from later certficates in my posession. Joseph Markley's occupation is given as Engineer on Henry Markley's birth certificate, and later certificates tell us that Joseph Markland was also an Engineer. Though I have no evidence, I feel that joseph Markley and Henry Markley are none other than Joseph Markland and Henry Markland. That Henry's birth certificate gives the mother as Jane Robinson.

In summary: His name may be Joseph Markland or Joseph Markley. He married Jane Robinson. He was an engineer in Chorley in 1853.

The only Jane Robinson marriage I can find that is close is to a Joseph Martland, but, as noted by a researcher here, the names of the children do not match so possibly not our Joseph.

Thanks for all your efforts.
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