Missing COLLIER in Dewsbury?

[rupiezucki]

I am trying to locate any information on:

Isabel Beatrix COLLIER.

She is in the family bible with a birthdate June 9th 1883.

Her parents were (!?!) John Monkman Peacock COLLIER (who died shortly after the 1881 census ...longest pregnancy in history)

and Catharine Caroline Hill COLLIER.

In 1991, the two daughters, Elizabeth Mary COLLIER (27 Nov 1876) and Ethel May COLLIER (11 Jun 1878) were living with their paternal grandparents George & Elizabeth COLLIER in Atwick.  Their brother, George Edwin COLLIER (27 May 1880) died on 7 Jun 1885.  His death was registered in Dewsbury, so perhaps Catharine came here?

I can not find Catharine or Isabel on the 1891 census, and can find no record of her birth yet on freebmd.

Catharine and Isabel emigrated to Canada in 1893.

Thank you!

[heywood]

at the moment - can find nothing but may I ask some questions. I have looked at 1883 full records- no Isabel.

You know that Isabel existed because she emigrated. Are there Canadian records which support her date of birth?
Have you got the death certificate for George- who registered the death? Could you get clues from the address?

After much searching around I think I may have Catherine. Briefly I found her family in 1861 and then found her father in 1881 with his daughter Jane Bettany (transcribed as Bethany). Looked around for this family in 1891 and found this but strangely no Isabel. The writing is poor and they are with another sister Mary B. Transcriptions of names are the ones in brackets- real names are not.

1891 RG12; Piece: 3574; Folio 103; Page 23
North Street Lockwood

Mary B (Fanny) Young head married 43 yrs b Leeds
Horatio E  son 17 yrs  iron turner b Leeds
Jessie daur 16 yrs b Leeds
Ernest E son 14 yrs  post office boy b Ilkley
Florence E daur 8 yrs  b Ilkley
Jane A (Bettay) Bettany sister widow 50 yrs b Leeds
Catharine (Collen) Collier sister widow 38 yrs b Leeds

there is a birth for Florence Ellen Young 1883 Wharfedale so she can't be the missing Isabel.

best wishes
heywood

PS I have found Horatio the missing Mr Young- visiting in Manchester- he does not have a young child with him.

PPS I have found Jessie Young -married in 1901 living in Oldham (my hometown) Lancashire with her sister Nellie- (that will be Florence Ellen) so we could perhaps rule out that Florence was really Isabel etc. What a mystery.

[toni*]

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[heywood]

Hi toni,
keep looking - the more the merrier - I am still going through the Yorkshire ones -

[toni*]

are you looking for Catharines birth too?

[heywood]

I don't think rupiezucki is- I think it is just the elusive Isabel. I found her in 1891 (feel sure it is) by backtracking Catharine Hill so I am assuming that all that is known.
It is just this girl. I know it is difficult not to judge but it all seems odd- you would think that had she had a child as an unmarried mother, as it were, by living with her sisters she may have had the support. Perhaps Isabel is in hospital that night or anything really.
I think the Canadian side might be helpful- what was she known as there, what proof is there of relationships etc.
I think I may now await rupiezucki's response. I have searched for Collier/ Isabel etc but there could be so many variations and mispellings.

have a good day
heywood

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[heywood]

that looks good- even though it turns up very little to help I suppose.
I had just looked at the 2 quarters around the date given.

I am assuming that she definitely existed because we know she went to Canada. Did she travel as a daughter? Is the birthdate definitely 1883?

[toni*]

I thought i had found her earlier but the birth year was 1873.

Although her birth date is given as June 1883, this could be her christening date.

Also if she were born June 1883 she could have been registered in the next qtr. (Q2/Q3)

Perhaps as her 'father' had died by the time she was born she could have been listed under the mothers maiden name.

can anyone clarify that she is not on the 1881 / 1891 census away from family.