John Moran -Mayo to Doncaster

[aghadowey]

Think the only way you can verify a naming pattern is to compile a large family tree for at least several generations with all branches traced- a bit like locking the barn door after the horse has bolted.

Back to this question:

What in particular are you wanting to find out? Are you trying to trace forwards? If not then you need to be looking at County Mayo. Give us some idea what it is your looking for and I am sure one of us could help especially as I am in Doncaster and spend more time than I care to imagine at the local archives
Rob

It's still not clear whether you are trying to trace family in England or Ireland.

[Davronab]

Sorry - I am looking in Ireland. Trying to go back from 1870ish.
The English census has my gt grandfther John Moran from 1871 onward and he gave his father as John Moran  deceased when he married in 1875.
ohn Moran junior was on his own in 1871, lodging and only a humble iliterate labourer. No clues I'm afraid.
V

[dee melody]

Hello V.  You need to see if your gt. g.father had any other family in the UK, who may perhaps have stated their townland on census or other documents.   Where did John's wife come from?  If she was Irish, she also could have been from the Mayo area.  You won't get immediate answers.  Looking in Ireland for ancestors can sometimes be like looking for a needle in a haystack.  You need to exhaust every avenue.  Otherwise start off with these websites:

www.familysearch.org

Griffiths Valuation which was a land valuation around 1850s has an index at :
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php


1901 Leitrim Roscommon has a fully transcribed index for Mayo: http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/1901census

There are so many sites for County Mayo but you need to 'google' to find them.  Moran was a very common name in Mayo, so it does not make life easy, but don't give up, and don't assume anything - take it from one who has found out the hard way.  Keep digging and something will come up somewhere along the line.  There are no qucik fixes when it comes to searching in Ireland.  If you live near a Latter Day Saints Family History Centre make  use of their facilities.  Good luck in your search.
Dee

[Davronab]

Thanks Dee - no other family at all . Wife Bridget Morris was daughter of James Morris of Creeve and Catherine Glancey of Kinmore( courtest 1861 census). Bridget and John met and married in Doncaster. All the info I have comes from census and BMD. No living relatives have any idea where the family come from.

I am waiting for the Time Machine to be developed - I have a list of questions ready!!


V

[dee melody]

Hello V.  Don't talk to me about time machines - I've been waiting on one for years!!! Just a thought - on the earliest census (1861?), do the people on either side of John show their birth towns/counties/? .  If some were from Mayo, did they specify their townlands?  I found that a lot from a certain area congregated together - safety in numbers I guess!!  Just a thought.
best regards
Dee

[Davronab]

Yarrgh!! Yes they did - and they said ( yes you've guessed it ) Mayo. I bet they really told the enumerators a long tale about  the hard life over the water  and the beauty of the hometown, gave a full family tree and history and opened a bottle. Next day enumerator wakes up and writes...... Mayo.

I have a wonderful picture in my mind.

As a cautionary tale - I have spent some hours searching for " The Public Benefit Book Company " in Birmingham - my grandfather was manager there in 1916. I had an earnest mental image of him helping to bring learning and enlightenment to the working class of the midlands. Back to earth with a bump as I find "The Public Benefit Boot Company" which fits far better with my knowledge of my grandfathers past as a bankrupt bootmaker.

It pays to rein in the imagination.

But thank you , it is a good idea  and I will search surrrounding census mates more closely again. Things often come to light on a second or third look.
Cheers
V