Williams/Penfold ?

[nightnurse51]

Hi Sue
You are going to have to be very careful with your JOb Dean as on the 1871 census there are 2 Job Deans with in 1/2 mile of one another.
The first Job Dean was in the Croydon workhouse which runs parallel to Queens road cemetary.
He was supposed to be 22 years,    which would make his birth 1849 an agri labourer single and he was born in Caple kent which in fact should read Capel and it is practically next door to Tudeley of where you found a christening 5 years before in 1844 .....
Then there was another JOb Dean with a wife called Sarah of which it claims he was born in Battersea.
JOb was 22 and Sarah 18 living at what could be 50 or 58 wheat road. it has been known that a person has been recorded twice in the census in different places..
IN the same house is a William Stevens with his wife Catherine and lots of children. also appearing was a grandson called Thomas Saunders and a daughter that married a Bolting.
You say you could not find a birth record for Job but just a christening record.
THis was not unusual as at that time it was not until 1875 that you were fined £2 for not registering your child before the 6 weeks of age. If you didnt register then you could send your child out to work much earlier than you were legally allowed.
But ironically enough most people got their children christened.
I found Job Dean of Kent Tudeley of Capel in the 1911,   and 1891. In the 1911 census there appears a Catherine Stevens age unknown but allegingly born in Tipperary Ireland.
The only other possibility was that Job was born under his mothers maiden name.. did you ever find him in the 1851, 1861 census?
In the 1901 census found the same family but his birth place being croydon.

[nightnurse51]

Who were the fathers of Job and Sarah on their marriage cert. you mention the witnessess.
As a Ruth Taylor married Stephen Smart   and one of the witnessess was a Susan Taylor what relaionship she was to Sarah Stevens if any.

[Dean44]

Hi Carole,  I'm sorry for the delay in responding but my internet has been down for several days and I've just picked up your last couple of messages.   In response to your last message, Job's father's name was Joseph and Sarah's was William.   As the internet has only just come back up I need time to fully respond to your earlier postings.  I will get back to you over the next couple of days.
In the meantime, thank you so much for all the information you have sent me.
Kind regards,
Sue

[Dean44]

Hello,
I have seen both the Job Deans, but I think they are one and the same person.  Also in the workhouse was a Thomas Dean B1855, a relative possibly, but I cannot find a connection.  Job and Sarah did not marry until 6th Nov. 1871, although in the 1871 census it shows them as married.

Sarah was B1853'ish, but when William married Catherine (nee Donovan) in 1855 he was a widower, so maybe Sarah is the child from William's first marrage. Perhaps his first wife is the link to Susannah Williams (Smart).  I've only recently found out the  information about the cousin link.

I have not been able to find Job before the 1871 census.  He is in the 1881 census under the spelling Deane, still living at 36, Russell Road.  I cannot find his parents, Joseph and Priscilla in any census.

Thomas Saunders was my Grandmother's brother.  In 1911 my grandmother Louisa was living with Job and Sarah.  My Grandmother's, mother, Sarah Saunders was living in Spa Road with two lodgers, William and Charles Dean, again probably relatives but I cannot find the connection and where they fit into the family.

In 1912 John and Susan Williams had a nephew lodging with them, James Hodges (John's sister's son - I think).  James was the 3rd party mentioned in the manslaughter of my G. G. Aunt Catherine.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Best wishes,
Sue

[nightnurse51]

Hi
Ill digest what you have told me and then get back to you.
I have had troubles with internet as well.
Carolx