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Williams/Penfold ?
« on: Saturday 04 August 07 08:16 BST (UK) »
Is it likely that the Williams family recently posted on here are linked to the Penfolds ?
On the 1901 cen there is a Robert Penfold & family that share most of the same navs as the Williams family also the p,of ,b Kilburn.hampshire & battersea that are featured in the Williams lot.
Any thoughts about this is welcome.

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Re: Williams/Penfold ?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 06 August 07 17:09 BST (UK) »
Is the Robert Penfold you mention on the 1901 census born 1863 and married to Mary Ann (1865) children Emily, William, John, Rose & James?  They are at 19 Wilford Rd, Croydon.  Robert is a Hawker.

May not be the same ones.  The ones above are related to the Lanes, Smiths, Gardners etc. but not sure about the Williams.
Croydon, Surrey - KENT, SKILTON, BESLEY, HIGGS
Surrey & Kent - GARDNER, GARDENER, GARDINER, DALLAWAY, STRUDWICK, LANE, PENFOLD (Roma/Traveller)
London - COOKE
Shropshire/Denbighshire/Montgomershire  - FRANCIS, LLOYD
Staffordshire - TOOTH, DEVALL

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Re: Williams/Penfold ?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 08 August 07 15:54 BST (UK) »
This is the Penfold family that I was looking at on the 1901 cen
robert h   36
mary  wife33
ada drtr 10
charlie s 8
henry s 6
mary ann drtr 1
moses s 3
phoebe drtr 14
robert s 12
 do you know of these ?

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Re: Williams/Penfold ?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 07 June 09 02:49 BST (UK) »
Some of the Willliams were also known as Cooper.
The reason for this was that thier mother was Sylvia Williams father Robert Cooper.
John Williams aka as Cooper married Susan Penfold nee Smart.
Penfold was her precious married name.
I have their marriage cert.
Regards Carol
Wolfe in Kent and America  Australia and New Zealand (Found)
Bullen. in Berks, Stockwell London and New York
Mills in Croydon & Mitcham Gypsy based
Coopers from Croydon, Norwood
THompson  Croydon & Mitcham and Alnwick/ Northumberland
Green in Croydon and Peckham Camberwell
Reed in Peckham could originate in Ireland
Hunt Bushey Herts walworth Peckham  Croydon, Mitcham Gypsy based
Jessop in and around Kent
Taylors Croydon originate from Nottinghill and Acton
Gardner Mitcham

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Re: Williams/Penfold ?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 07 June 09 11:19 BST (UK) »
The family in the 1901 ,the Robert Penfold b 1865 is son of Moses Penfold and
Elizabeth Collinson (married 1849 The Parish Church, Barnes, Surrey, England) another link to the William's family is through Roberts brother Frederick who married Ada Caroline Williams daughter of Charles and Mary Ann Williams.

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Re: Williams/Penfold ?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 07 June 09 14:57 BST (UK) »
i have a few certs of the ones romanygenes mentions if anyone interested.also moses penfold the dad nightowl has been looking for for ages.if anyone knows anything please post it.
birchs taylors penfold orchard hughes all romany gypsies in the west country

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Re: Williams/Penfold ?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 31 May 10 07:58 BST (UK) »
This is interesting.  Has anyone ever heard of my great grandmother Queenie Williams who lived in Battersea, two marriages one to a Hearn, the other (well officially they just jumped the broomstick I believe lol) to a Morgan.  Any info appreciated.

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Re: Williams/Penfold ?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 12 November 10 14:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi
I have a family here of penfolds..
Robert penfold Head b kiburn
wife mary i don't know her suename? b portsdown Hampshire

Children
Ada b battersea
charle battersea
Henry :
mary ann :
moses:
phebe:
Robert:

Not sure if this right penfolds?

Wanted to know about my family did a Thomas Gladwin married Ada penfold she was b battersea is the right family? could someone help me here..

please jew
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Re: Williams/Penfold ?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 12 November 10 14:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi forgot to say I found this info on genes 1881 census....


Plus i wanted to know about a George Gladwin b norwood surrey
and hes wife Harriet cooper b fulham fields both pedlars
i wanted to know names of her sibiling? I have names of their children 13 but one missing.

The familys i spoke about on here penfolds and coopers lived on mitcham common.
:)
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