hi greenvalley & Jap ,
Thankyou for your help ,...yes i had them in 1841 cencus, i'm sure you have the correct family in1851,as janet (mother ) was listed in 1871 as pauper too when she lived with her grandaughter.
I never knew "Donald was also used as daniel" ( no wonder i cant find a Donald ...

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however i managed to find Daniel all the way up to his death in 1922.
the other children ...ive found are caroline (she ended up in Canada then U.S.A).
Janet she married and went to callander.
John & Charles ....found out about them too .
Mary , Elizabeth & Ann ,i'm still looking into although we know mary had a baby (ann ),need to find out if she married the father .
Thomas......still looking

snowolf