paisley weaving families

[seekthem]

Re Running Bears entry with all the hard work re census information on the Cowden family.  I  have searched SP for the 1851 census for Thomas Cowden age 58 and getting nothing.  Also the 1871 census for Elizabeth Gilchrist, again nothing.  Tried putting the other names and still nothing.  Do SP have a lot of missing forms or am I just missing something.
Liz

[elbe]

Listers
This is a follow up and update.
First - I agree that Thomas Cowden and Elisabeth Gilchrist are challenging to find on SP. Two days ago (on SP) I found Elisabeth (indexed as Cowden) died on 2 Aug 1874 at 80 St James Rd, Glasgow - this is the address of her daughter, Janet (Knox), and, as it is close to the Necropolis, I guess this is where Elisabeth was buried. I double checked before I wrote this and could only find it again by checking my index of searches (guess I must have fluked it the first time)

Elisabeth's record states she was the widow of Thomas, weaver {but type illegible - not silk or cotton or hand loom - what other sort was there?}; she was the daugher of William Gilchrist, silk weaver, and Elizabeth {surname illegible, but short name like Reid or Wild}. I haven't been able to go further back (no bap. or m.). However Sp gives a record of the m. of Thomas Cowden and Elisabeth Gilchrist for 26 Oct 1818 at Paisley Abbey.

[elbe]

.. and continuing ..
On SP, I have found 5 x Thomas Cowden (various spellings) to 3 sets of parents in the period 1770-95. The parents might be William Couden and Katherine Jack (referred to in an earlier post); or Brodie Cowdon and Margaret Ewing. Each had two sons bap. in Paisley Abbey, and each resided in Eaglesham, according to LDS. I have assmed the first sons to each coupl d. in infancy. SP gives 21 Feb 1790 and 11 Jan 1795 respectively as bap. dates for the later sons called Thomas. The third set of parents bap. their son 21 Sep 1786, but at Paisely Low Church.
I would have to say there appears to be no consistent use of the (highland) naming pattern, so... still contemplating ...
Hope this is of use to others
elbe

[elbe]

Could SKS help with a SP death interpretaion.

A couple of days again I queried SP for the death or burial record of Thomas Cowden (Paisley weaver, husband of Elisabeth Gilchrist). The period I was searching straddles OPR-statutory reporting, so I tried both. I fould just one record: 29 Nov 1851 for Paisley Abbey. The thing is, it says Thomas Cowden but in the right hand side says 2 'still born sons'. Surely this is not Thomas plus two? Do you think the record just for the two boys, who were unnamed, and the the words Thomas Cowden just identifes the father?
Thanks in advance
elbe

[Ann Baker]

Hi Elbe

Am assuming you're referring to mortcoloth records. If so yes is most likely is 2 boys and your Thomas named as father. Mortcloth records vary so much in format hard to be 100% without seeing it but being familiar with those from Abbey parish have seen would say from others have seen Thomas is father rather than deceased.

best wishes

Ann