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Re: Caldwells from Magilligan
« Reply #54 on: Thursday 03 December 09 17:09 GMT (UK) »
It would make some sense to me that those graves are very, very old (pre-dating 1700) because I have read references to such an old graveyard.  It will be helpful to approximate the date of them because if they are that old, I would rule it out as a source for missing Caldwell graves knowing that there were lots of Caldwells near there in the 1700s and 1800s.  My theory is that with so many Caldwells in the area during that time period and no found graves, that either Aghadowey is right and they (a) did not have graves; (b) just purchased a stone, no inscription; or (c) they are all in a family plot somewhere.  I am still hopeful that the last theory is the correct one and we just have not found them yet.  But I accept the reality that it could be (b).  Magilliganlass had a very helpful suggestion that I will see if I can use next time I go to St. Aidans and Tamlaghtard.  The grave in St. Aidans that lists my great, great, great, great Grandmother, Margaret Caldwell, is close to the church and on a slope with nothing around it.  It is possible that there are other hidden graves there.  But I think that is not likely because for much of this period St. Aidans was Catholic and we know that our Caldwells were Presby Scots.  I am more curious about using that method at Tamlaghtard, however, because there are large plots in that graveyard where you would expect to find graves but do not find any.  Either they are buried or have been otherwise destroyed.  And that church is a couple of hundred yards from the biggest recorded Caldwell farm in the 1800s.  We have viewed the record book at Tamlaghtard and have 3 Caldwells listed at this time - which is a little odd because it was CoI.  But it pre-dates Magilligan Presby Church and so it looks to us like they would have had to pick between Dunboe, Ballykelly, or find some family connection to the CoI which gave them the moral justification to attend Tamlaghtard.  Maybe not likely, but a possibility nonetheless.

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Re: Caldwells from Magilligan
« Reply #55 on: Thursday 03 December 09 18:19 GMT (UK) »
We have viewed the record book at Tamlaghtard and have 3 Caldwells listed at this time - which is a little odd because it was CoI.
Many Church of Ireland burial registers did not include Presbyterian burials.
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Re: Caldwells from Magilligan
« Reply #56 on: Thursday 03 December 09 19:30 GMT (UK) »
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                The idea of Presbyterians going to Dunboe (no road until the 1850s and the coastal sand route dependant on tide and weather) or to Ballykelly ( no bridge at Bellarena over the river Roe until early 1800s so a 10-12 mile trudge through Limavady, passed Drumachose Presbyterian Church) is unlikely. I think that they would have relied on itinerant preachers coming to them in the 1700s and they would meet in someone's house as they did all over Ireland. This is the origin of the old term for a Presbyterian church in Ireland "meeting house". I think that I may have already posted information on the ministers of Ballykelly, Dunboe and Drumachose carrying out this function.
                As the grave cannot be found in Magilligan I do not think that I would look any further than Drumachose.

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Re: Caldwells from Magilligan
« Reply #57 on: Friday 04 December 09 00:35 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Kingskerswell for the input.  We have heard that from some but also heard from various ministers that both Ballykelly & Dunboe had members from Magilligan pre-establishment of the Magilligan Presby Church. 

I think now it might be worthwhile to spend time taking records of Caldwell lands in Tircrevan and Lower Ballyleighery, match up the same with current farms, and talk to those farmers about possible stones in their fields that might be graves - following up on stmccmilligan's note that certain farms in Magilligan are known to have some graves on them. 


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Re: Caldwells from Magilligan
« Reply #58 on: Friday 04 December 09 12:34 GMT (UK) »
The farm which is now in the hands of the brewsters is very big, they would not have been poor, a very old long house stood there up untill ten years ago. the brewsters let it go to waste and in the end two trees where growing out of the roof. can you pinpoint out any of the other caldwell farms please or where do u get this info and will have a look. there is referance to the caldwell name in my family. my grandas granda was called caldwell mccracken, and my grandas brother was called thomas caldwell mcracken. all burried in magilligan presbyterian grave yard

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Re: Caldwells from Magilligan
« Reply #59 on: Monday 07 December 09 12:30 GMT (UK) »
found out that grandas great great granda was
called john mccracken and he married nancy caldwell in 9th march 1840 at dunboe. can you trace her in your tree at all. they had a son whom they called caldwell mccracken

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Re: Caldwells from Magilligan
« Reply #60 on: Monday 14 December 09 19:51 GMT (UK) »
St Aidan’s Mixed Graveyard: Gravestone

Mary 12 Nov 1792 (31), her husband Daniel of Ballyleighry July 3
1838 (76), her daughter Margaret Caldwell 27 Aug 1858 (71), Jane
wife of Alex Caldwell 17 Oct 1858 (40

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Re: Caldwells from Magilligan
« Reply #61 on: Monday 14 December 09 20:18 GMT (UK) »
St Aidan’s Mixed Graveyard: Gravestone

Mary 12 Nov 1792 (31), her husband Daniel of Ballyleighry July 3
1838 (76), her daughter Margaret Caldwell 27 Aug 1858 (71), Jane
wife of Alex Caldwell 17 Oct 1858 (40

Already posted on this thread (reply #4)-
St. Aidan's: 'Here lies the body of Mary Browster who departed this life November 12 1792 aged 31 years. Also the body of her husband Daniel Browster of Ballyleighry who departed this life July 5 1838 aged 76 years. Also his daughter Margaret CALDWELL who died August 1858 aged 71 years. Also of Jane, wife of Alexander CALDWELL of Ballyleighry, who died 17 October 1858 aged 40 years.'
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Re: Caldwells from Magilligan
« Reply #62 on: Wednesday 26 October 11 01:14 BST (UK) »
The McCracken link to Magilligan Caldwells is very interesting and I hope it can lead to some clues that help me tie out my Magilligan Caldwell ancestors to them.  I believe that the Nancy Caldwell who married John McCracken is an Aunt of my emigrant Caldwell (William Caldwell - baptized in Magilligan Presby).   But it may not be because we have seen records in Magilligan Presby of a Nancy Caldwell and her neice going to America.