Help? Disappearance?

[scottcharles]

It does make me sad, she was so young. I'm just having trouble tracing her.

I have found a potential birth from my grandfather's first marriage - a certain Gertrude Clara Mynn b.1904 in Southwark - the year after he got married to Emily Jessie Smith.

On my father's baptismal records there is a person by the name of Gladys Winifred Mynn (or Short, there were records somewhere of a marriage to a Short) - I need to find the certificate the office sent me again, but I believe that she was my father's half sister. Can't find her on the ancestry site but she can be found onthe free bmd here:
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=132421650&d=bmd_1184743028

She is registered as being the godmother on the certificate and I believe that she was born in 1916 in Dartford, which makes sense as I know Charles Davies Mynn moved to Kent at some point during or before WW1 to work for the Vickers company there. He died in Dartford too.

I can't find any other trace of these two potential half sisters, and no death or marriage records for Clara Mynn in the 20th century.

I really do hope nothing bad happened to her, if it did it did, but it just sounds like the poor woman went through an awful lot.

...And there was I thinking that the Griffin family were some benevolent friends.

I don't know if Charles Davies Mynn had contact with his mother as he died so shortly after my own father's birth, but due to that first child that I mentioned I think he may have at least want to make an ode to her of some kind. I know that he definitely had at least 2 children (daughters) that survived his death, but I don't know anything about them either other than the possible leads mentioned.

PS: I am currently searching for records of Charles D Griffin in the 1891 census as it seems there's a possibility he may have been given that name judging by those posts on nurse children. I have found a Charles Griffin who is the right age at the Central London District School in 1891 that could be a possibility thus far.

[katherinem]

Thanks for that Jan, hope it helps you scottcharles, though it may make him harder to find in the later census returns if he has been given a different name

Do you think that when he ordered his birth cert in 1901 it was when he found out that he was adopted or fostered? Or when he was old enough to want to find his real mother? How sad for Charles and Clara if this is what happened to him.

Jenny

I absolutely agree

Have you considered purchasing Charles Davis's marriage cert in 1903?  It might provide clues, i.e. his address, which could possibly be the address he was living at in 1901.  Also so often the witnesses provide clues, but of course there is the possibility that it wouldn't help one iota.

It is strange that Clara's father is also missing, I found his new family as lodgers on the 1901, but no sign of William

Kath

[toni*]

On my father's baptismal records there is a person by the name of Gladys Winifred Mynn (or Short, there were records somewhere of a marriage to a Short) - I need to find the certificate the office sent me again, but I believe that she was my father's half sister.

birth: Gladys W Mynn (mother maiden name Smith) Dartford 2a 1116

 

[toni*]

birth: Gladys W Mynn (mother maiden name Smith) Dartford 2a 1116

 

oops forgot to put : Q1 1916

[scottcharles]

I absolutely agree

Have you considered purchasing Charles Davis's marriage cert in 1903?  It might provide clues, i.e. his address, which could possibly be the address he was living at in 1901.  Also so often the witnesses provide clues, but of course there is the possibility that it wouldn't help one iota.

It is strange that Clara's father is also missing, I found his new family as lodgers on the 1901, but no sign of William

Kath

I do know what happened to William (the father) through a distant cousin of mine - William ran off to Nottingham between the censuses and had a child with another woman who we don't think he married. He died there in 1915. His children bear the surname de Mynn, I believe he may have been trying to avoid previous bankruptcy charges so changed his name...Not sure of that of course, but that's my hunch.

[scottcharles]

Ordered the certificate today...The plot thickens!

[JenClark]

Good luck, my fingers are crossed that it has some clues for you 

Jenny

[scottcharles]

Got the certificate through everyone!
I was just wondering if somebody could provide me with some advice as to where to go next with this. I'm still yet to find an 1891 and 1901 record for Charles Davies Mynn.

Anyway, here are the details from the wedding cert:

1903 MARRIAGE SOLEMIZED AT ST STEPHEN'S CHURCH, IN THE PARISH OF WALWORTH IN THE COUNTY OF LONDON.

(funny as there is a St. Stephen's church on the corner of the road that St. Stephen's Terrace is on in Walworth, he was born at 14 St Stephen's Terrace!)

WHEN MARRIED: DECEMBER 6TH 1903

Charles Davies Mynn 24 Bachelor Boot Finisher
109 MANN ST  - -

Emily Jessie Smith 23 Spinster Book Folder
101 Westmorland Road
Alfred [R]osling Smith Warehouseman

WITNESSES: Alfred Edward Smith
                    Christine Mabel Clark

Anybody new looking at this, please note that I'm not too interested in the Smith family as they are not related to me

I wonder if Charles was ever reunited with his mother, if she ended up in the workhouse or if she ever married again...
Any advice greatly appreciated!

[JenClark]

Hello again Scott,

I know the Smith's are not the object of your search but I thought I would look them up in the 1901 anyway to cancell out the possibility of Charles staying there as a boarder or the like.

Unfortunately he is not but here is their census anyway:

1901 - 101 Westmoorland Road, Newington, St Stephen, Southwark (RG13; Piece: 379; Folio: 37; Page: 66)

Alfred R Smith Head M 46yrs Woollen drapers Assistant b. Lambeth, London
Emily Smith Wife M 43yrs b. Walworth, London
Emily Smith Dau U 21yrs Book folder (binder) b. Walworth, London
Alfred Smith Son 17yrs Commercial Clerk b. Walworth, London
Ernest Smith Son 14yrs General Merchants Assistant b. Walworth, London
Herbert Smith Son 111yrs b. Walworth, London
Ellen Brett Mother-in-law Wid 75yrs b. Holborn, London

So I am off in search of Charles....hopefully something will come up

Jenny