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Help? Disappearance?
« on: Sunday 29 July 07 11:40 BST (UK) »
My grandfather's birth was registered in 1901, but for some reason neither he, nor his mother show up in the 1901 census, I'm wondering what's happened to them.

Perhaps it's a transcription error, either way, any help would be much appreciated - I'm still quite new to all of this.

CHARLES DAVIES MYNN b. 3 MAY 1879 Lambeth, County of Surrey (according to his birth cert)
CLARA AUGUSTA MYNN b. circa 1861 (according to census records)


On the birth certificate they are listed as living at:
14 St. Stephen's Terrace, Lambeth, Co. of Surrey

My grandfather married his first wife in 1903, the marriage was registered in Southwark.

What happened to them in this time? I can't find a death date for Clara either!

Interestingly, his birth certificate was only issued on Dec 6th 1901...

Any ideas?

Previously, Clara appears in the 1871 census in what I presume to be the family home in Portsea.
BARTLETT - Plymouth, Devon
BIRD - Wiltshire, Somerset
BISHOP - Somerset
DESBOROUGH - Surrey?
EMERY - Bedfordshire
HALL - Walworth
HARDISTY - Leeds, Yorkshire
HAYWARD - Southwark, Surrey
LEDAMUN - Spitalfields, Middlesex
MONTAGUE - Bethnal Green, Middlesex
MYNN - Goudhurst, Kent
REYNELL - Newington Surrey
REYNOLDS - Soho, Middlesex
WREN - Midlothian, Scotland, Camberwell

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Re: Help? Disappearance?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 29 July 07 11:49 BST (UK) »
Was Charles' mother married when she gave birth?  She might have married/remarried and Charles took his step father's surname until his marriage. 
Middx - VAUS, ROBERTS, EVERSFIELD, INMAN, STAR, HOLBECK, WYATT, BICKFORD, SMITH, REDWOOD
Hants - SMALL, HAMMERTON, GRIST, FRYER, TRODD, DAGWELL, PARKER, WOODFORD, CROUTEAR, BECK, BENDELL, KEEPING, HARDING, BULL
Kent - BAYLY, BORER, MITCHELL, PLANE, VERNON, FARRANCE, CHAPMAN, MEDHURST, LOMAX, WYATT, IDEN
Devon - TOPE, BICKFORD, FOSTER
YKS - QUIRK, McGUIRE, BENN
Nott/Derbs - SLACK
Herts - BARNES
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« Reply #2 on: Sunday 29 July 07 11:53 BST (UK) »
can you clarify Charles Mynn's actual DoB - above you mention 1879, but previously 1892 ... not to mention later registration in 1901 ?

Have you found Claras parents in 1881 ?
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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 29 July 07 11:55 BST (UK) »
Hi
If you could post the census details you do have please - it would help us look for him in 1901
Cheers
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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 29 July 07 12:07 BST (UK) »
1871 - RG10/1146; Folio: 48; Page: 34 - Portsea / Landport, Hants
Bursledon House, Villiers Road


William P D E M Mynn 32 Head Commision Agent London, Surrey
Marianne A Mynn 32  Wife London, Surrey
Clara A Mynn 10  do
Marian A Mynn 9  do
Thomas Mynn 6  son do
Emily Mynn 5  do
Annie M Mynn 4 do
Albert L Mynn 2  son do
 
Susannah Mynn WID 67  Mother Hants, Petersfield

Sophia Collinson 37  Servant
Eliza Humphrey 50 do
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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 29 July 07 12:08 BST (UK) »
From 1871 census in Portsea (RG10; Piece: 1146; Folio: 48; Page: 34)

I see her parents are William & Marianne Mynn

From Free BMD:

Marriage:

June Q 1859 Newington Surrey 1d 250
William Parker De Morley MYNN and Marianne Augusta REYNELL

Birth:

Sept Q 1838 St Olave Southwark 4 358
William Parker De Morley MYNN

Birth:

June Q 1860 Lambeth, Surrey 1d 324
Clara Augusta MYNN

Jenny
Clark, Sommerlad, Bowden, Barrett, Griffey, Sayers, Bridge, Walters, Pollard, Capel, Dibble, James, Lingard, Mensforth, Watts, Rutherford, Stainton, Chatterton, Tubbs, Thompson, Fulton, Booth, Sellwood, Edwards, Pitcher, Creech, Johns, Phillips, Roberts, Keast, Tregonning, Mason, Lancefield, Ibberson, Green, Case, Cook, Dunham, Porter, Pope, Hall, Welsh, Hellefield, Warburton, Fletcher, Foster, Stiles, Tait, Nicoll, Sutherland, McIntyre, Cole, Neal, Ladlow, Bellamy, Castleton, Barker, Yuill

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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 29 July 07 12:12 BST (UK) »
A death for her father:

Deaths:
Mar Q 1915 
MYNN  William P De M  76yrs  Nottingham  7b 586

Jenny
Clark, Sommerlad, Bowden, Barrett, Griffey, Sayers, Bridge, Walters, Pollard, Capel, Dibble, James, Lingard, Mensforth, Watts, Rutherford, Stainton, Chatterton, Tubbs, Thompson, Fulton, Booth, Sellwood, Edwards, Pitcher, Creech, Johns, Phillips, Roberts, Keast, Tregonning, Mason, Lancefield, Ibberson, Green, Case, Cook, Dunham, Porter, Pope, Hall, Welsh, Hellefield, Warburton, Fletcher, Foster, Stiles, Tait, Nicoll, Sutherland, McIntyre, Cole, Neal, Ladlow, Bellamy, Castleton, Barker, Yuill

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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 29 July 07 12:16 BST (UK) »
hhhhm, 1881 strange ..... altho this may be a clue ... right age for Mother seen in 1871 Portsea.

Deaths Sep 1881   
 
MYNN  Susanna  78  Sheppey  V2a V434
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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 29 July 07 12:20 BST (UK) »
Sure, sorry about that - no the date of birth is definitely May 3rd 1879 on the certificate - I must have got him confused with that 1892 date (I'm looking into lots of rellies at the moment, sorry!).

There is no father mentioned on the birth certificate, although I have a dark hunch about some possible goings on, as I am sure that I have found a record *somewhere* of Clara living with her father at St. Stephen's Tce shortly before my grandfather's birth, nothing certain though, I need to re-find the document, it was a directory listing.

Clara's mother was in Lambeth, Clara's father moved away to Notts at some point and started another family there, I'm not sure of the exact dates of him moving, although I have the birth dates of the children from that relationship (no marriage there).

Marianne A[ugusta] Mynn is listed in the 1871 and 1891 census, but not in the 1881 as far as I can see. In 1871 she is in Portsea, in 1891 she is in Lambeth with another mysterious daughter, Violet La Glace Mynn, I think born after her husband left her, but not sure.

1871 census: RG10/1146; Folio: 48; Page: 34
1891 census: RG12/407; Folio 53; Page 1

Is that ok? If you need me to clarify anything else just let me know.
BARTLETT - Plymouth, Devon
BIRD - Wiltshire, Somerset
BISHOP - Somerset
DESBOROUGH - Surrey?
EMERY - Bedfordshire
HALL - Walworth
HARDISTY - Leeds, Yorkshire
HAYWARD - Southwark, Surrey
LEDAMUN - Spitalfields, Middlesex
MONTAGUE - Bethnal Green, Middlesex
MYNN - Goudhurst, Kent
REYNELL - Newington Surrey
REYNOLDS - Soho, Middlesex
WREN - Midlothian, Scotland, Camberwell