Trying to find my G,G,G,G,Grandfather

[lisachloe]

Hi, My G,Grandfather was Ira Gomersall-born 1894 in Wakefield,West Yorks - Married Phyllis Wood Slee

My G,G,Grandfather was Lorenzo Gomersall - born 1865 in West Ardsley,West Yorks.(1871 Census) - Married Emma Brookes of Staffs

My G,G,G,Grandfather was Joshua Gomersall - born 1838 also in West Ardsley, West Yorkshire (1871 Census). - Married Margaret?

I am trying to find Joshua Gomersall's father, we have tried the parish records for West Ardsley & couldn't find a thing, if anyone has any suggestions I would be really thankful.

Also, if anyone would like any of my information on the Gomersall's please let me know also, I have informtion on the Slee family originating from Westmorland.

[casalguidi]

Hi

Have you found the family in the 1861/1851/1841 census of West Ardsley.  If you haven't,  I would think that that would be the best place to start looking in case any of the birth places differ.  It's not uncommon for the wrong birthplace to be put on the form - especially if somebody else was supplying the information.

Have you not had any success looking for the marriage of Joshua G......... to Margaret?

Best wishes

Casalguidi

[Tati]

Hi,

On Freebmd I have found this - could be the aforementioned marriage (unless he was already married in 1871?):
 
Volume:   9c   Page:   89
 
Surname  First name(s)    District  Vol  Page 

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Marriages Dec 1872
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BEDFORD  Eliza    Wakefield  9c 89   
GOMERSALL  Joshua     Wakefield  9c 89   
HANDLEY  Margaret     Wakefield  9c 89   
SPEIGHT  James     Wakefield  9c 89   

[lisachloe]

Thanks for that we never found his wife's surname. As for the census forms for 1861,1851 & 1841 we haven't been able to access them at our local library. At the time we were only abple to see the census for 1871 onwards.

[Tati]

I think I have found him at 1837online,
births for July-September 1839,
Joshua Gomersall
District Wakefield
Vol. XXII
page 616

Hope it helps.
Tati

[lisachloe]

Thanks for this Tati - took us months to find the other stuff, all I need now do is try going futher back & find his mother & father, although, I don't have a clue regarding thier names  . U r a star 

[Hackstaple]

Tati has pointed you to where you find the names of his mother and father - on his birth certificate at a cost of £7.00

[lisachloe]

Brilliant! As you will have realised i'm new to all of this so please forgive me .
I have another question now...
My G,G,Grandmother was called Ellen Slee, Born in Wakefield in 1879.
Apparently, she had a child by her brother in law, a William Dyson of Wakefield at the age of 18-resulting in my G,Grandmother Phyllis Wood Slee born.
Ellen Slee comitted suicide in June 1900 & we have a newspaper report confirming this to be true.
As my G,Grandmother was born out of wedlock & her father was her uncle, would Ellen Slee have been made to name him as her father? we can't think why my G,Grandmother has the name Phyllis Wood & Slee as her surname . She never really knew much about her mother as a family took her in at the age of 5, so we're discovering a whloe new branch of our family.

[casalguidi]

Generally, if one finds an illegitimate child with a surname used as a middle name, it is usually because that middle name is the father's surname.  Like everything else though, there is always the exception to the rule.

Did she pretend that another man (WOOD) was the child's father at some stage?

Did she have a brother in law by the name of WOOD as well as Mr DYSON?

Maybe there was some other reason for her choice of name.

Ellen wouldn't have been compelled to name her baby after the father but it was quite common.

It certainly would be nice if you could find out .............

Best wishes

Casalguidi