Stokes/Daniel/Hill/Binnersley descendents

[homegrandchild]

Looking for descendents of Florence Stokes b. 1860 (Birmingham). I have located Florence E Stokes with her family of origin in the 1861 Census, Dudley, WOR, St. Thomas, with her father William John 1839 and wife Ann (Lucas) b. 1839, married 1860.
Florence Married John Daniel m. 1882 (1901 Census: Kings Norton, Staffordshire). I located Florence on the 1901 Census of Balsall Heath, Highgate St. Patrick, WOR with children as listed below:
John Daniel b.1882                          
Florence Daniel b. 1887
Rose T Daniel b. 1889
Florence then married Thomas Hill b. 1849 m. 1893
Their Children: Ruth Hill b.1893
                  Leah Hill b.1897 d. 1981
                       Frank b. 1900/1901

Some search has lead me to Shifnal,Shrewsbury, Shropshire area.

Leah Hill married Alfred Binnersley b. June 1/1893 m. June 1/1919 d. 1974 Birmingham, West Midlands, age 81
Apparently Leah and Alfred had 2 children and 3 grandchildren,,,,,but I am stuck here!

Alfred’s father was Thomas b. 1852, Shifnal, Shropshire
Alfred’s mother was Mary Mills b. 1860 Essington, Staffordshire

Thomas’s father was William…no other details
Mary’s parents were William Mills and Julia Turner

Some posters have suggested that Binnersley was really ‘Billingsley’ further back but I really am seeking descendents of Florence Stokes. The detour between the Daniel and Hill names had me stuck for awhile, but I am looking for relatives that are descendants of this Stokes family.

Thank you for any/all assistance
 

Homegrandchild

[Candy1312]

Dear Doris,

Thomas was christened on the 28 SEP 1851  in Shifnal, born to parents William and Mary.

I've come across the idea that people contend that the name derives from Billingsley, but be warned that there are records of the surname Binnersley back to the 1600s in Shropshire, particularly the Cleobury Mortimer area. Having said that, those that do adhere to the above, tend to see that their families used the surname Binnersley from around the 1850s ish when there was more regulation of the way that the surname was spelt.

Know that you said that in your message that you were not interested in this line so much, but every little helps and its nice to see someone else with it in their tree!!

[Lesley B]

Hi

Leah & Alfred had 4 grandchildren, l'm the eldest!

Unfortunately l think you have the wrong Florence Stokes.

ln the 1891 census Florence is listed as Florence Daniel (widow) with children John, Florence and Lavinia (goodness knows why she is called Rose in 1901!) There is also a boarder - John Upton aged 16 living with her.

ln the 1881 census Florence Stokes is living at Ct 2 Ryland Road No 5, Edgebaston, Birmingham with her mother Mary and sisters Amy and Elizabeth. Also living at that address is John Upton aged 6 who is Mary's nephew. This is the connection that confirms that l have the right family, as my grangmother always said that we were connected to the Uptons on her mother's side of the family.( A well to do family - something to do with glass foundries and printers) l'm not entirely sure where her father is at this time.

ln the 1871 census the family is living in Edgebaston and consists of Charles b. 1829 and Mary b.1826 with children Charles (1852), Sarah Ann (1855), Walter E (1857), Florance(!) (1860), Amy (1862) & Elizabeth (1865).

Charles and Mary must have married 1850/1 as they are in the 1851 census.

Well done for finding out about the Binnersleys, l'm having so much trouble finding them!
l only found them in the 1901 census because l knew where they were living - they had been transcribed as Dinnersley! 
l have only been able to track Thomas to 2 censuses besides 1901 - 1891, when l discovered he had a 15 year old son, also Thomas, born in Oldham, Lancashire (l did know he had been married before as he is listed as widower on the marriage certificate) and 1871 when he was visiting in Bilston with his mother Mary and elder brother Alfred.
There is an entry in 1861 for a William and Mary Billinsley and their sons Charles, Alfred and Thomas (right ages) at Shifnall, so that could be them but where he was in 1881 l have yet to discover!

l do have a cousin in Canada (well l think it's Canada - it's on the border!) - John Daniel's granddaughter, l think she went out there about 40 years ago.

Well l hope that was of some interest if not of any help! Good luck with the search for the right Florence Stokes!

Best wishes

Lesley B

[Ray T]

Nearly 5 years too late but I see that at least Homegrandchild is still around!

Did you ever get any further with the Binnersleys? Perhaps I should start by saying that Thomas Binnersley was my GGG Uncle and I am descended from his elder brother William b 25/1/1839 - I have a total of 10 siblings on my list.

As to the Binnersley/Billingsley issue - the name seems to change as you trace the family back through the various censuses and, from what I've found, the family weren't so good in registering births or including everyone on the census. I don't think you could expect much more from a family of Ag Labs who could neither read nor write and moved around the area on a regular basis; presumably seeking work. I think the confusion arises between what is said, what the enumerator writes down and what his writing is transcribed as on the various pay-per-view sites.

The family spread far and wide at the end of the 1800s, my branch heading North into Cheshire and ending up in Stockport.