1841 Lookup Please - James TWOSE

[caliope47]

I am hoping a fresh set of eyes can help me locate this elusive ancestor and his family. Perhaps others out there have access to something I don't. I've been trying for many months to find James Twose (yeoman) aged 79 in 1841 but have been unsuccessful. He died in Nicholashayne Culmstock Devon in 1846 according to his death certificate so Devon was always the area I concentrated on. The rest of the members of his household known to be living with him at the time were wife Ann, and sons John aged 18 and William aged 33. I found a census enumerator named John Twose in Wellington Somerset District 4 who I suspect is my John but where is the rest of the family? Does anyone know if there were lost census pages for Devon? Could this family just have been "missed" in the census? It's been very frustrating! Any replies or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!

[krissy]

hi there,
oh how i know what its like to chase elusive ancestors , anyway the one thing you cant rely on is ages on census records ! so i had a look about and found a possible link for james you say his wife was ann so i rechecked the igi and found this

 born about 1768 in langford budville somerset
married 6 feb 1793 wellington somerset

wife ; ann jewell
born about 1772 also langford budville somerset

i also found a possible for william plus 2 births linked to this james there may well have been more but i need to dig about a bit.

children;
john twose  17th july 1823
christening;  10th august 1823

baker twose  15th july 1827
christening      12 august 1827
death               28th june 1828

all at culmstock
so it seems wellington was the main town at that time .
i also had a dig around the 1881 census and found john , james and annes son ,had moved up to london

all living at 61 frederick street london middlesex

john age 58 born culmstock devon   railway porter
sarah age 58 born sampford devon  wife
georgina age 20 born peterboro northampton  corset maker
john        age 18 born      "                    "            railway porter
richard     age 13 born london middlesex            errand boy
joseph bate age 37 essex  boarder                    saddler
charles cropman age ? shoreditch                       bookbinder


seems they moved about quite a bit , the parents it seems stayed around devon tho i cant see much on the records, do you think william could have been a brother to james  or maybe james had married twice? big difference in ages to be a son so must be a relative. at least with john you can work on the childrens ages to locate the area they were living in which can be a great help
will see if i can find anymore ok
krissy

[caliope47]

Hi Krissy,

First off, thank you for all the work you've done researching my elusive Twoses!

The Ann Jewell reference has always been a problem for me as I have my James marrying his (second) wife Ann Phillips in abt 1814. This has also been recorded by a few other Twose relatives who believe Ann Phillips is the second wife (the first being Elizabeth Fry). My James was christened Dec 25 1791 at St. John's Church in Wellington. Do you know if Langford Budville is close to Wellington? I'll have a look after I finish typing!

I've been concentrating on Nicholashayne & Culmstock because that's where he died in 1846 (aged 84) and where his 1844 will was written. In the will it mentioned his wife Ann, and sons "William and John both living at home".  No one is sure who William's mother is with my scenerio of Ann Phillips but it certainly would fit with Ann Jewell. (An "Ann Twose" who was "once a farmer's wife" shows up as a visitor in the household of William Twose in the 1851 census which along with the will makes us believe this is probably a half brother to John). But then my James Twose would not be in the family everyone thinks he belongs to. (So many discrepancies....my head is spinning!  )

The John Twose you mentioned is my direct ancestor. He moved away from Devon and the farm to the big city. I'm of the mindset now that there MUST be pages missing from the Devon census as the four Twoses are nowhere to be found. Does anyone know/believe that their ancestors were missed in a census? Did anyone think that and then find their ancestors? Did you, Krissy, find your missing relatives?

Sometimes I feel like giving up the 1841 search but I know I never will...

Thanks for your input, Krissy!

[krissy]

hi there,
and oh yes i have had relies missing in the census records usually because they were recorded wrong so you have to fiddle around with the surname a bit and see what comes up! my dewars were found under dumar?would you believe ,another one chasty was enumerated as charty with kids as charly??? so it is a bit of a frustrating game this ancestry stuff, but great when you get them all!
i had a feeling your james had been married twice since there was a big age difference between william and john so i will see if i can hunt about a bit more and if my friend is back from hols perhaps she can have a look at the census records for you
bye for now
krissy

[caliope47]

Hi Krissy,

You're lucky to have found your relatives! I've tried different spellings of Twose also with no luck.

Any info you find would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your help...

Liz