Kilbarchan families-Morrow, Lavery, Little

[MonicaL]

  Sunday night and I can't count or read!

This was the entry in 1861 in Kilbarchan for Margaret Morrow with parents John and Mary Ann in 1861:

Margaret Morrow 11, b. Glasgow

She can't at that age be marrying William Little a few months after the census! Therefore, the Margaret Morrow who married William Little is a different one altogether and that brings us to your potential entry in 1871 Tom.

What this also means is that potentially, John Lavery ran off (maybe  ) with the Margaret I've shown above in 1861, with parents John and Mary Ann (supported by the IGI submitted entries in Australia) who was not the same Margaret Morrow who married William Little in 1861 

[tidybooks]

Hi all,

On the 1861 census at J Lees house in Kilbarchan Renfrewshire
All shown as Lavey instead of Lavery

James Lavey 25 b 1836 Kilbarchan Lab at Ironstone pits
Jane Lavey 27 b 1834 b Ireland wife
Jane Lavey 5 b 1856 Kilbarchan Daughter
Margaret Lavey 3 b 1858 Kilbarchan Daughter
James Lavey 1 b 1860 Kilbarchan son

Also in J Lees House, Kilbarchan in 1861 census,

William Little 52 b 1809 Ireland Shoemaker
Anne Little 50 b 1811 Ireland wife
May A R Little 26 b 1835 Ireland Domestic Servant
William Little 23 b 1838 Ireland Iron Miner
Robert Little 21 b 1840 Ireland Ag Lab
Thomas Little 19 b 1842 Ireland Shoemaker
John Little 16 b 1845 Ireland Cotton Factory Worker
George Little 12 b 1849 Ireland Scholar


According to your notes, Robert Little married Margaret Lavery in 1867; don’t think it is the correct one. Margaret would only be 9 in 1867.
The above William Little married Margaret Morrow on 31 Dec 1861.

There is no John Lavery (next door)to run away with Margaret Morrow. James Lavery is only 25 he may have had a brother, John.

We need some concrete proof before we can progress unfortunately. Anything that has a certificate will be good to start with.

Tom

[tidybooks]

Hi all,

I think I have found John Lavery brother of James who stayed next door.

On the 1851 census at North of Bridge St, Kilbarchan Land

William Lavery 42 b 1809 Ireland Spirit Dealer
Margaret Lavery 44 b 1807 Ireland Wife
John Lavery 18 b 1833 Linwood Carter
James Lavery 16 b 1835 Linwood Carter
William Lavery 10 b 1841 Linwood Scholar
Robert Lavery 9 b 1842 Linwood Scholar
Margaret Lavery 7 b 1844 Linwood Scholar
Alexander Lavery 5 b 1846 Linwood
Thomas Lavery 3 b 1848 Linwood
Agnes Tomsen 55 b 1796 Ireland Servant – Sister in Law

PS with the mis spelling should be Thompson not Tomsen, this would Margaret Thompson as advised on first thread to be John's mother.

PPS Highlighted in blue the Margaret Lavery who married Robert Little.
Tom

[MonicaL]

Robert Little and Margaret Lavery's marriage entry:

ROBERT LITTLE  Marriages:Spouse: MARGARET LAVERY    
MARRIAGE: 29 JUN 1866  High Church, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland

I can only see one child showing for them on IGI: WILLIAM LITTLE Birth: 26 MAY 1868 Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland

[tidybooks]

Hi Monica,

I think that is the correct marriage but not to the Margaret Lavery ( she would be 9) who stayed next door, it is James next door's sister, who was born in 1844, and is now the ripe old age of 22.

John Lavery and Anne Warnock had the following children,

William Lavery b 18 Dec 1855 Kilbarchan
Margaret Lavery b 18 Jan 1860 Anderston, Glasgow
John Lavery b 24 Sep 1861 Anderson Glasgow
William Lavery b 13 Aug 1863 Anderston Glasgow
Thomas Lavery b 22 Feb 1866 Clyde Glasgow
David Lavery b 22 Aug 1869 Anderston Glasgow

There is a marriage on IGI on LDS site for a Margaret Morrow to John Lavery on 1870 at Goulburn, NSW. It also states Margaret died 14 Nov 1918. this is a submitted record so could be inaccurate. This ties in nicely with John having his last child with Anne.

Tom
PS I have highlighted the correct Margaret Lavery in blue on earlier note.

[MonicaL]

Yes it does. And it also looks like it is not the same Margaret Morrow who married William Little in 1861 (different parents for Margaret from the 1861 MC). So Margaret Morrow, daughter of John and Mary Ann, who we have in 1861 with family is the likely Margaret with John Lavery in Australia.

The other Margaret Morrow who married William Little in 1861 shows parents John and Jane Lowe (spl?), mother shows as deceased.

This also looks like the parents of John Lavery in 1861:

William Lavery    51, carter, b. Ireland
Margart Lavery    50, b Ireland
William Lavery    20, b. Kilbarchan
Margart Lavery    16, b. Kilbarchan
Alexander Lavery 14, b. Kilbarchan
Thomas Lavery    12, b. Kilbarchan

Address: Hendersons House, Kilbarchan

Monica

[tidybooks]

Hi Monica,

John Lavery’s younger sister, Margaret Lavery (22) married Robert Little (26).
Robert’s brother William Little (23) married Margaret Morrow.
We have proved that the correct Margaret Morrow who eloped with John Laverty was 20 born 1850.

However on ScotlandsPeople website (SP) for 6 credits you can download the marriage certificate for William Little and Margaret Morrow and that will give ages, correct parents , and help to clear up mystery, Margaret’s age and parents should help to complete the search.

I was just about to post, when you posted your last post, which agrees anyway.

Tom

[MonicaL]

I think we're pretty much there Tom  It does look likely that John Lavery disappeared across the seas to Australia going by the IGI entries but not with his sister's sister in law 

Hopefully Puppygirl, your trip to the Mitchell Library will be fruitful in respect of Ann Warnock's poor relief records. Let us know!

Monica

[tidybooks]

Hi Monica and Puppygirl,

Yes, I think that is it, but it was not illegal to marry your sister -in law's sister-in-law was it. I think that John would have been 37 when he married Margaret aged 20. Seemed to be OK because he had 4 of a family in Oz.

Well done

Tom