Liverpool family England

[keithR]

HI
Hi am looking for the following family living Liverpool England
 Catherine Ryan (single) also known as kate, son WILLIAM born abbt 1898/99 .
William Ryan born  abbt 1856 proff baker.
Annie  Ryan born abbt  1859   wife
Annie  Ryan born abtt   1882
Minnie Ryan born abbt  1884
William Ryan born abbt  1886
Mary   Ryan born abbt   1888
Living in Liverpool 1891 england but can not find in 1901
Cathrine had son William 1898/1899 father not known .
William kept mothers surname RYAN
Any little help would be truly appreciated .they had links with Ireland did they go there?
Thank you
Keith Ryan

[CaroleW]

Amelia married James Kilburn

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1899
RYAN Amelia KILBURN James Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/93/468

1901 census as follows - Field St Liverpool:

Amelia Kilburn 20 b Liverpool
Charles 7 months son b Liverpool
William Ryan 16 brother b Liverpool
RG13 Piece 3481 Folio 18 Page 28

Son Patrick died in 1892

Patrick Ryan  Age at Death 2 September qtr 1892  West Derby
Volume: 8b Page: 368

Mary Ryan was possibly in St Margaret's Industrial School in Hendon Middlesex.  Mary Ryan 13 b Liverpool

RG13 Piece 5336 Folio 154 Page 1
 
The only Minnie Ryan I can find was one aged 17 shown as b England working as a servant in Surrey  RG13 Piece 665 Folio 146 Page 13 which is a possibility given the Mary Ryan location.  Minnie's birth was registered as 1883

[CaroleW]

William Ryan died 1895

William Ryan Age at Death: 39 September qtr  1895
West Derby  Volume: 8b Page: 441

A possible death for Annie - age a bit out but the only other in that range in 1891 was b 1857

Annie Ryan Age at Death: 39 March qtr  1900
Liverpool  Volume: 8b Page: 54

[keithR]

Thank you so much for your help i truly appreciate any little bit of help or information.
William died 13 August 1895 his wife Annie was at his bed side.
Amelia was one of Williams Daughters and did marry James Kilburn William 1901 was her brother
I have discovered that when their father William died in 1895. Their mother couldn't cope so she put the following children into care Minnie and Mary also James . Minnie and Mary  where sent to London to a convent. James stayed in a boys home in Liverpool.
Minnie and Mary both emigrated about 1920 to New Zealand where they lived out their life.
Catherine who i mentioned was my Great Grandmother and brought up her son William alone .I have been told that she sent William to America to family where he stayed until war broke out 1914 he came back and joined the 8th Irish Liverpool Kings and eventually married my Grand mother.
As i say i truly appreciate any help
Thank You
Keith R

[redkop]

Hi Keith,

if you havn't got the marriage cert, I can have a look for you if you wish, the next time I go the RO.

Red   

[CaroleW]

Hi Keith

Did you know that they also had a son Thomas?

This is the 1881 census - all b Liverpool.  Catherine was with her grandmother

56 Wightman St
William Ryan 24 bread baker
Annie 21
Thomas 2
Amelia 1
Adam Nagle 25 lodger

25 Butler St
Johannah Ryan Widow 55 b Ireland (died 1889)
Kate Ryan 3 b Liverpool Granddaughter
James Nagel 28  b Wexford, Ireland boarder

1871 census for 21 Etna St

Patrick Ryan age not very clear but starts with 6 b Queens South Armagh
Johanna 44   b Queens South Armagh
William 14 b Liverpool
 

[keithR]

Hi Carole and Red
Thank you for your help  I have the 1871 census info but it states that Patrick and Johanna came from Arles County Queens i have been going down this lead and not getting far . its good to have the information that you have found as coming from South Armagh. I have Patrick in 1851 Census and 1861 married to a Julia Ryan she must have died between 1861 and 1871 i cant find a marriage anywhere in England .they may have married in Ireland .
I am trying to find out when and where my grandfather William was born all i know is that his mother may have been Catherine (Kate 1881 census with grandmother) and he was born about 1898 he married my grandmother 1919
As i have the marriage Certificate
Thank you
Keith R

[CaroleW]

Hi Keith

From what you say - William was around 21 when he married your grandmother.   I am assuming there is no fathers name on his marriage cert.

Where did he marry your grandmother?  Was it in England or elsewhere

[redkop]

Hi Keith,

I have a photocopy of Amelia and James marriage. If you pm me your email addy, I will send it to you.

Red