Kirkmabreck Marriage Carlile / McDowall

[kay11]

Can a kind person help?

I am looking for the marriage of James Carlile to Mcdowall ( at this stage I do not know my ancestor's christian name).

The marriage may not have been in Kirkmabreck but elsewhere in Scotland it would have taken place between 1846 - 1850 as  their child also James Carlile appears on census 1851 Creetown aged 2 years.

I would be very very grateful for any help my thanks in anticipation

K

[Gadget]

Hi Kay

I'll have a look around for you but in the meantime, here's a photo of Kirmabreck new Kirk taken 2 weeks ago 

Gadget

[Gadget]

So far neither a marriage or a birth of a james Carlile (various spellings) or a James McDowall

On the 1861 he appears to be with his other grandparents at

Bells, Wynd, Creetown 873 Ed 6 page 16

James Carlyle, 63, granite Quarry worker*, b. Ireland
Ann, 63, wife,  b. Ireland
Peter, 24, son, granite quarry worker, b. Ireland
Daniel, 21, son, granite quarry worker, b. Ireland
James, 11, granson, scholar, b. Creetown

It might be worth checking the 1841 to check the McDowall family - a daughter might be identified. Also, as the Carlile family where from ireland, they might be Roman Catholic and any marriage, baptism would not appear in the easily available records.

I'll keep looking around.

Gadget

* see also my photo of the Creetown Granite monument on this board 

[Gadget]

In 1841n the McDowall family are at St Johns Street, Creetown

873 ED 8 Page 8
Agnes McDowall, 35-39, Pauper
Janet, 13,
James, 10
Isabella, 7
Agnes, 4
John, 6

All born County

One of these daughters might well be James's mother

Gadget

[Gadget]

Kay

Have you followed him through the censuses to find out if he married and/or died in Scotland. This would give you (hopefully) his mother's name.

I haven't found any records of a marriage or baptism yet and there is the possibility that they might not have been married 

Gadget

[kay11]

Gadget


Very many thanks amazing response !

I've been on the hunt for James Carlile's mother it seems for an age .....!

Re 1841 census

Believe Janet married Fergus Skimming (what a name) though surprisingly I've been unable to find anything about this family.. Agnes is on the 1851 census and is too young to be James mother so from the 1841 census the only daughter available is Isabella whom I cannot find at all i.e death , marriage etc. That is not to say that other daughters born earlier don't exist ....

When you quote the 1841 census are you looking at the original doc ?? or the transcribed listing ? I have found many a error (transcribed) ! I have a feeling that christian names may be incorrect

I note the RC element any suggestions about finding more info?

Also many thks for the photo I stood there myself in May a very pleasant spot indeed! K

ps Just got your latest posting. James moved to Liverpool pre 1871 were he marries and then totally disappears I have been unable to find his death and have looked really hard ! His widow and daughter are on the 1891 and 1901 census.

[Gadget]

When you quote the 1841 census are you looking at the original doc ?? or the transcribed listing ? I have found many a error (transcribed) ! I have a feeling that christian names may be incorrect

It was the original image. I don't trust indexes very much either 

It's a shame about marriage/and no death found 

Gadget

PS - not sure about the RC records for that area 

[ankerdine]

Hi Kay
Gadget helped me too some few months ago with information about my family.
My gtx2 grandmother, living at Creetown, was married in Anwoth Parish and we thought it was at the old kirk there. However, she was actually married according to the Rites of the Roman Catholic Church at Gatehouse of Fleet in a private residence. Apparently according to a local historian, this house was known as the Catholic House and both persons married gave this address as their existing address.
I eventually found their marriage certificate on Scotlandspeople dated 1855, which gave me loads of information about their particulars.
I don't know if this information will help you at all but I hope so.
Regards,

[kay11]

Ankerdine

That's good news thank you - I'll do some further investigation..