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Re: Problem finding existence of town called Newton
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 22 July 07 10:06 BST (UK) »
Hi Kate,

...  The letter also states that William and Sarah had 6 children in 1859 (when the letter was penned by Jane) but William and Sarah are recorded as being married in Mar 1855.  I can find no documentation myself on the Victorian BMD website of their marriage or their children.  ... 

It seems that you will probably do best by further searching of the Victorian BMDs and by purchasing some certificates.

Some children of William LITTLE & Sarah Jane GORDON:
*James or(?) James Edward 1856 Kyneton - there are two entries in 1856, #13547 (James Edward) and #5743 (James); not sure if these are two separate births ...
*John Gordon 1857 " - #11615
*Mary Jane 1859 " - #15127
*William 1861 Malmsbury - #22163
*Ann Elizabeth 1863 Gree. - #21458
*Sarah 1865 Malmsbury - #16568
*Margaret Louisa 1867 Malmsbury - #9225
*Emma Alice 1868 Malmsbury - #17529

Sarah Jane's death:
*Sarah Jane LITTLE (35) born DERR (presumably Derry), parents Gordon Edward & Mary, died 1869
Victorian death certificates are very informative.  The certificate should say when and where William & Sarah Jane married, how long she had been in Victoria, names and ages of children, etc ...

Jane (BOYD) LITTLE:
LITTLE John & LITTLE Agnes b 1846, parents James LITTLE & Jane BOYD, Geelong (this is just a church record)
LITTLE Jane (81) died at Kyneton in 1881, parents Boyd Jno & Elizabeth
That death cert would probably be worth getting.

Certificates can be downloaded immediately from the Vic BDM site.

Good luck,

JAP

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Re: Problem finding existence of town called Newton
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 22 July 07 10:50 BST (UK) »
Hi

firstly to aghadowey, religion I am sure was protestant.  Yes, you are right about verifying the information, I guess I have taken the letter to much to heart (I was just so excited at finding something like that).  I am trying to tie up these little problems one by one.  I seem to have all very common names like Little, Boyd and Gordon, just the luck of the draw I guess.  But all of the replies by everyone have been most helpful and I am thankful. 

to Jap, thanks for all this information.  I did look up the Vict. BMD website earlier this week and searched for any possible marriages for William but Sarah did not come up, that is why I was skeptical.  Also I didn't find the children either as you did, so I must conclude that I am doing something wrong when I am searching.  I already have the death certificate's of James and Jane (Boyd) Little and their son John Little.  I might have another look at the website and try again and I do appreciate the information you have given me.

Regards

Kate
Australia - Hitchen, Staggs, Little, Warren, White, McLoughin (and variants).
Lanc, Eng - Hitchen, Stirrup, Gould, Foster, Cowens, Howard, White, Coppock, Atkinson
Dur, Eng- Cowens
Northum, Eng - Cowens, Noble, Dunn
Kent, Eng - Staggs, Albury, Miller
Hamp,Eng, London - Warren, Peates, Price
Germany/East Prussia - Kammer, Weber, Ostach, Staub
Armagh, Nth Ireland - Little, Boyd
Fermanagh, Nth Ireland - McLoughlin
Flintshire, Wales - Jones, Lewis

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Re: Problem finding existence of town called Newton
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 22 July 07 11:17 BST (UK) »
Hi Kate,

Don't waste (or would spend be a less emotive word!) money on the Vic BDM site.

Lots of people on RC have access to various CDs of Vic BDMs - which make searching easier.

And do ask if would like the full reference of an entry so you can purchase a certificate without first paying for the reference.

Don't hesitate to ask.

Regards,

JAP
PS: Sarah's death cert ref is as follows (as it appears on the Victorian Pioneers CD):
LITTLE Sarah/ father Gordon Edward/ mother Mary UNKNOWN/ age 35/ birthplace DERR/ year 1869/ registration number 4514
Not sure where you are located but these CDs are usually available in public libraries in Australia and at many other locations.

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Re: Problem finding existence of town called Newton
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 22 July 07 11:30 BST (UK) »
Hi Jap

I have wasted a lot of money there already, so will take your advice.  I think I have taken a little too much information for granted and must go back to basics.  I will try and find when William Little died and order his death certificate and that will give me a much better indication of who I am looking for.  Will probably see you in the Australian lookups.  Thanks so much for helping me, I have only been at this 5 months and am learning something new everyday. 

Regards

Kate
Australia - Hitchen, Staggs, Little, Warren, White, McLoughin (and variants).
Lanc, Eng - Hitchen, Stirrup, Gould, Foster, Cowens, Howard, White, Coppock, Atkinson
Dur, Eng- Cowens
Northum, Eng - Cowens, Noble, Dunn
Kent, Eng - Staggs, Albury, Miller
Hamp,Eng, London - Warren, Peates, Price
Germany/East Prussia - Kammer, Weber, Ostach, Staub
Armagh, Nth Ireland - Little, Boyd
Fermanagh, Nth Ireland - McLoughlin
Flintshire, Wales - Jones, Lewis


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Re: Problem finding existence of town called Newton
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 22 July 07 11:35 BST (UK) »
Hi Kate,

I didn't see William's death in the Pioneers index.  I don't have access to the Federation Index and haven't yet tried the Edwardian.  I'm off now but I'm sure someone will find him for you before I try again.

I had a bit of a look for the rells of Sarah but no luck - will try more carefully tomorrow.

I'm sure you'll get lots of help on the Oz lookups board.  Incidentally, do give a link to this thread so people aren't duplicating lookups which have already been done, or advice which has already been given ...

All the very best,

JAP

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Re: Problem finding existence of town called Newton
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 22 July 07 12:13 BST (UK) »
Have you done a parent search on IGI? Based on parents Edward Gordon and Mary (although some of the foregoing threads refer to Gordon Edward, so forgive me if I am looking at the wrong person), it turns up 3 children born in Drumachose, Londonderry. These being a Sally Jane Gordon christened (therefore quite possibly born in 1834)  on 24/1/1835 (in my own family research, I have found Sally and Sarah interchangeable as first names), James Mitchell Gordon christened 29/3/1837 and a Robert Gordon born 19/1/1839. Drumachose would have been situated in NewtownLimavady/Limavady.

Although IGI is not always reliable, these are  extracted rather than user submitted records, so I would have more confidence in them.
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Re: Problem finding existence of town called Newton
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 22 July 07 12:21 BST (UK) »
Hi Scotmum

Please excuse my ignorance but was is IGI and how can I access the information there?  I am fairly new to searching outside Australia (having completed this first).  The information you have provided fits with the information I have concerning Sarah.  Thank you so much for your help.

Regards

Kate
Australia - Hitchen, Staggs, Little, Warren, White, McLoughin (and variants).
Lanc, Eng - Hitchen, Stirrup, Gould, Foster, Cowens, Howard, White, Coppock, Atkinson
Dur, Eng- Cowens
Northum, Eng - Cowens, Noble, Dunn
Kent, Eng - Staggs, Albury, Miller
Hamp,Eng, London - Warren, Peates, Price
Germany/East Prussia - Kammer, Weber, Ostach, Staub
Armagh, Nth Ireland - Little, Boyd
Fermanagh, Nth Ireland - McLoughlin
Flintshire, Wales - Jones, Lewis

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Re: Problem finding existence of town called Newton
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 22 July 07 12:30 BST (UK) »
IGI means International Genealogical Index and can be found at this link.

The Sally I found is, in my opinion,  a strong contender given the year, parents names, and Drumachose lies in the right 'Newtown...' area.
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Re: Problem finding existence of town called Newton
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 22 July 07 12:34 BST (UK) »
There is also Newtonards in Northern Ireland.

You cannot go on what is posted even on the IGI, Census or any other site,  there are many errors due to human being being involved in processing them.

Accents, abbreviations, nicknames all come to mind.

http://www.travelpublishing.co.uk/CountyIntros/NorthernIrelandIntro.htm

This may help with place names.