Headstone for Ripper hunt officer ~ how nice, but where is the family ???

[KathMc]

Great Wendi. Keep us posted.

Kath

[Wendi]

Thanks Kath!

I know how you felt last night I went to cook dinner and came back to the same amazing response, aren't RC peeps lovely !!!

I have just now emailed Matt Williams who did the stone to make him aware of the tread.

We MUST be able to take this forward by a few years from 1999 to today

Wendi 

[KathMc]

If it was the US, I would have many tricks to find living relatives. Some of them are people searches on Yahoo and obituaries, which often list living relatives and the towns they live in. Are those options in England?

I would think if one had a relative involved in such a case, it would stay in the family lore. Maybe the family just needs to see something advertised somewhere and will come out of the woodwork, so to speak.

Kath

[KathMc]

I just looked over the casebook link. Has anyone found Emily, Frederick's sister, according to the link? I don't recall seeing her mentioned on here.

Kath

[Sisterjane]

Heres Emily in 1841

1841-Blandford forum
HO107/294/1-2-32
Salisbury St

ABBERLINE

Edward 40   Not born in County       Saddler
Hannah 40       "          "
Emily 5             "           "
Harriet 3 b Dorset
Edward 2 b   "

Jane

[Dave Francis]

1851 Blandford, Dorset
HO 107/1853 folio 290 page 15
Salisbury Street
Willim Felton, head, 60, victualler, Morrell Essex
Elizabeth, wife, 70, Pimlico Middlesex
Emoly [sic] Abberline, 15, servant, Salisby Wilts
Elizabeth Mantle, 59, housemaid, Bryanston Dorset
George Frazer, 28, osleter, South Petherton Somerset
George Billows, 19, helper in stable, Blandfd Dorset

1861 Margate Kent
RG 9/534 folio 103 page 18
7½ High Street
Henry Jolly, head, 51, hair dresser, Margate Kent
Mary Ann do., wife, 51, Salisbury Wilts
Emily Abberline, 25, shop assist, Salisbury Wilts
Mary Ann Johnson, servt, 20, house servt, Wickham Kent
Samuel Sunderland, 22, shop man, Halifax Yorks

Can't find any record of her after that   

[KathMc]

According to the sourcebook message board archives, Emily married and had children:

"His sister Emily and her husband James Rice had at least three children
Ada Miriam Jane circa 1868
Frederick J circa 1874
Harry circa 1877"

That is a direct quote from the board.

If this is her, in 1871 I have found her with James and Ada Miriam Jane, 3

Ah, 1881 confirms that this is her, I believe, as Hannah Abberline, mother-in-law, 80, is living with

James Rice, 40, hairdresser, Marleyborne
Emily, 44, Salisbury Wilts
Ada MJ, 13, Lambeth
Frederick J, 7, Newington
Harry, 4, Newington

in 1891, I have found her in Caberwell, London widowed, with Ada MJ, 23, and Harry, 14. Interestingly, they have James Rice written above her and crossed off. In occupation it says he died 4/4

Kath

[KathMc]

In 1901, the three siblings are all living together (although Ada is listed as daughter to her younger brother Frederick  ) in Croydon, Surrey. Frederick and Harry are butchers with their own shop and Ada is a butcher's bookkeeper.

Kath

[Wendi]

  Kath good stuff!!

If it was the US, I would have many tricks to find living relatives. Some of them are people searches on Yahoo and obituaries, which often list living relatives and the towns they live in. Are those options in England?

I would think if one had a relative involved in such a case, it would stay in the family lore. Maybe the family just needs to see something advertised somewhere and will come out of the woodwork, so to speak.

Kath

Here it is more lightly that an obit would be published in a local newspaper than online,  however a search of 192.com shows 4 Abberline's on the 2007 Electoral Roll and more on previous ones.

Ancestry show 7 births with the associated name in their 1984-2007 Birth register all in the Kent area.

Do we have anyone in Kent or Sussex watching this who might like to help

Wendi