Huguenot or not Huguenot

[avm228]

OK - finally I think I have Joseph and Sarah MENERE in 1841

They are in an un-numbered property at Hampden Row, Great Hampden, Bucks, both transcribed as MENERS.  Joseph is 60 (though indexed as though he were 50 - somebody has misread the entry) and Sarah 55. Joseph's occupation is Ind (independent means) and birthplace is given as F - which means Foreign Parts; not necessarily France, but consistent with that theory.  Sarah's birthplace is given as Buckinghamshire, which is consistent with other census information for her.  With them is a 4 yr old Thomas BAYES or BOYES, not born in county.  At the same address, though apparently a different household, are the following:

William LEWIS 35 Ag lab
Ann LEWIS 40
Martha LEWIS 35

all born in county (Bucks)

HO107/41 Book 8 folio 7 p10

Anna

[avm228]

With them is a 4 yr old Thomas BAYES or BOYES, not born in county. 

Here's a baptism for the little boy (from IGI, extracted):

Thomas Meneres BAYES

born 10 May 1837
bapt 2 Jun 1837 St Luke, Chelsea

son of Thomas William BAYES and Sarah


Anna

[avm228]

With them is a 4 yr old Thomas BAYES or BOYES, not born in county. 

Here's a baptism for the little boy (from IGI, extracted):

Thomas Meneres BAYES

born 10 May 1837
bapt 2 Jun 1837 St Luke, Chelsea

son of Thomas William BAYES and Sarah


Anna

A Thomas who may be the right one appears in 1851 (though age is a couple of years out):

St Luke, Chelsea
North St
HO107/1474 folio 10 p12
Thomas Bayes Head Mar 42 Strolling Musician London Bishopsgate [Court?] BLIND
Sarah Bayes Wife Mar 43 Char Woman Surrey Bermondsey
Thomas Bayes Son U 16 Strolling Musician Middx Chelsea
John Bayes Son U 13 Scholar Middx Chelsea
Robert Bayes Son U 9 Scholar Middx Chelsea
Henry Bayes Son U 1 Middx Chelsea
Charlotte Bayes Gd mother Widow 68 Disabled Norfolk
Augustus Fredk Giorgi Companion Widower 58 Musician & teacher Middx Kensington

Anna

[Patsy Beech]

Sorry this is a bit late - over a year - but I have just returned to searching my Bayes family and came across this by searching RootsChat.

The Thomas Bayes & Sarah mention in the 1851 census were Thomas Bayes & Sarah Attiemore [Attimore] who married on 3rd January 1830 in Kensington. This has come from Parish registers and confirmed on the birth certificate for son Henry who was born on 17th January 1850, at 20 North Street, Chelsea.

Not really sure it fits in with the name Meneres!!!!!!!!

I think Charlotte, Thomas's mother died on 21st August 1856, aged 68 (so she did not age from the 1851 census!) but as she was only 55 on the 1841 census it is anyones guess! Anyway the death certificate says she was the widow of Mr. Bayes coach painter, but nothing so helpful as an initial.

As for where Thomas Bayes was born c1809, Bishopsgate Court, as far as I can tell by looking at old maps the place is now buried under Liverpool Street Station!

I don't have copies of the death certificate for Thomas, but I think he died in the December qtr. 1863 Chelsea 1a 138, and Sarah (nee Attiemore) died aged 60 in the March qtr 1868 Chelsea 1a 182?

Hope this helps even if it is only for elimination purposes.

Good Luck with your search.
Patsy

[chinakay]

A couple of the churches mentioned, St James Duke's Place, and St George Hanover Square, are rather infamous for performing irregular or "clandestine" marriages...it does make interesting reading. They were apparently populated by clergy who would, for a fee, perform marriages of just about anybody to just about anybody without investigation or banns. Marriage of persons underage without parental consent, persons already married, persons who wished to marry "prohibited" (closely related) persons...it's worth a bit of research and there is plenty of information on the net.

There may also have been perfectly good reasons for marrying in such an unregulated atmosphere, though, and to my mind an expatriate non-member of the Church of England might be one of them. At any rate, looking into these clandestine marriages makes highly entertaining reading.

Every time I see the title of this thread it seems to me that it should be Huguenot or Hugue-not... ...sorry, it's late 

Cheers,
China 

[Nick29]

Quite a few Huguenots came over to the Fens too.  I think the following might make interesting reading, especially Part 2, which contains a mention of the surname Mannier...............

Huguenots and Walloons in the Fens Part 1

Huguenots and Walloons in the Fens Part 2

[ShaunJ]

Patsy - your Thomas Bayes born circa 1835 was with his family in Chelsea in 1841 (enumerated as Bays) so he's definitely not the one with the Meneres.

HO107/ 687/4 f 55 p51

[cocksie]

With them is a 4 yr old Thomas BAYES or BOYES, not born in county. 

Here's a baptism for the little boy (from IGI, extracted):

Thomas Meneres BAYES

born 10 May 1837
bapt 2 Jun 1837 St Luke, Chelsea

son of Thomas William BAYES and Sarah


Anna

This thread is from a long time ago but ....
The Thomas Menere Bayes referred to above was daughter of Thomas William Bayes (surgeon) and Sarah MENERE - daughter of Joseph & Sarah Menere (allegedly PRICKETT).  Thomas Menere Bayes is found living with his grandparents in the UK 1841 census.  His dad, Thomas William Bayes died in 1848 and his mother, Sarah, remarried to a John Ballard (of the Grey Inn Bucks).  Thomas Menere Bayes can be found with his mother & step dad in the UK 1851 census (listed as Bay from memory). He immigrated later the same year to Australia on the vessel the Ameer, arriving Victoria Dec 1851.  Also onboard was his aunt & uncle William James Menere & Matilda Frances (nee Mead) and his cousins.  As an added extra, a Roberts family was also onboard, being John Walker Roberts and his wife Elizabeth Gardner (nee Mead - sister of Matilda Frances) and family.

What happened to him after arrival in Australia?  I have no idea.  My link is tenuous - via John Walker Roberts & Elizabeth Gardner (nee Mead) but have developed an interest (albeit very frustrated) in the Menere family.  Also stuck at Joseph Menere

cocksie

[farmeroman]

I have a number of  Huguenot Society CDs (1,2,5b and 7 to be precise) and would be happpy to perform lookups for anyone. Just PM me and I'll see what I can do.