Looking for Charles Cawte - not in any records !

[trish251]

Hi Francis

I have no idea about court records, other than the old bailey (which is not yet up to your time frame). I would think that query could be a new thread (perhaps with a reference to this one, so folks don't talk about "duplication")

Trish

[bearkat]

CAWTE is a name more common east of Southampton.

The Hampshire CALM database has a settlement examination dated 1786 for John CAWTE of Milton who was born in Bisopstoke but moved to Lymington in the employ of John BESSANT a carpenter.


http://calm.hants.gov.uk/DServeA/search.htm

John may be linked to your Charles 

[Little Nell]

Hi Francis,

Cawt(e), Caught, Cought, Caut(e), Cawet, Cate, Cort and Court are all variations I have come across in the search my elusive lot with this name.  I need to do some digging in all the stuff I have - I'll get back to you if I find anything.

By the way Milton is also an area of Portsmouth as is Landport, so the birthplaces are not necessarily conflicting.

But what concerns me is that at present I cannot find baptisms for Sarah and Emma Adams with a father William in Milton.  I have found one for Emma, but not Sarah 

Nell

[francisp]

Thanks for the replies. First the settlement exam is significant as it is the first mention of a connection with Cawtes and carpentry !

John & Mary Cawte had 12 children bap Milton from 1787 so (if it's them) 2yr old John wouldn't be found at Milton, probably Lymington. (Does anyone have access to those records?)

John jr  could well be the father of my Charles, and might explain why Charles married at Lymington church, a place which otherwise appeared to have no connection with Cawtes.


"Date 4 Dec 1786
Description Born in Bishopstoke. Lived with his father until he was 16 when he became servant to Mr John Bessant of Bishopstoke, carpenter, for 1 year, at £10; served same man for another 2 years. John Bessant then moves to Lymington and employed Cawte for a further year at £12; served another 2 years for 13 and 14 guineas. He has a wife, Mary and one son, John, 2."

[francisp]

Hello Nell

Thanks also.  I too found Emma with father William but no Sarah that matches. So now we can't find a birth for either Charles or Sarah !

Sarah Jane (Jane) is given as "b Portsmouth" in the 1841 census and Milton in later ones. I also thought of Milton in Portsmouth but her birth cert says "b Ashley".

Wiliam, the father of Sarah is a labourer on the marriage cert (1840) but in Emma's birth record, which someone looked up for me (1826), is he "an Ashley Farmer" or of "Ashley Farm"

I couldn't read the writing and there's a fair difference between the two !

Francis

[Little Nell]

There is/was an Ashley Farm in Milton, so I think you are safe on that one!

I have looked through all the accumulated notes on this name - I ranged over a wide area trying to pin down my own ancestors - but it never took me as far as Lymington.  So I don't have anything on Charles, which is disappointing.  I really thought I might have been able to come up with something. 

Nell

[francisp]

Thanks again. I was actually trying to figure out if the William Adams (father of Sarah) is listed as a "farmer" or just "of Ashley farm" i.e. ag lab.

I cannot read the handwritten record which somene sent me and wonder if you could clarify as you also seem to have found that record - Milton 5/3/1826.

If he was a farmer then, would he be listed as a labourer in 1840 (on Sarah Adams' marriage cert) ? You wouldn't think so.

What would be the best way of checking the Lymington registers, at least to try and find the 2yr old John, son of the carpenter from Bishopstoke ?

Francis

[bearkat]

I'm not aware of anyone on Rootschat who has access to Lymington parish records.

You can view the records at  Lymington library or the Hampshire Records Office.

HRO also sell fiche.

Otherwise you can order mocrofilms of parish records at your local LDS Family History Centre for a small charge.

Found this whilst Googling:
From HRO accessions 1992
      It  was  a  particular pleasure to receive an account  book of the
     Lymington  overseers of the poor  for 1808-1816 as  this filled a  gap
     in the series already held in the office.   The Lymington parish records 
     have had a  more  chequered history  than  almost any  other  in  the
     county, as  large  quantities  were inadvertently  dumped  in  a
     rubbish tip  in the  mid  '70s and  had  to be  relocated  and
     excavated.   This  particular  volume,  though,  was  apparently
     borrowed earlier than this by a family historian and only now  -
     twenty years on  - returned.   The book  forms a  sad record  of
     those unable to cope financially in a period of great  hardship;
     it includes a payment of 17s for a coffin and burial fees for  a
     French prisoner in 1809.

Might be worth a look if you get to Hampshire.

[francisp]

Thanks again. I'm in New Zealand so personal lookups is a problem.

The LDS coverage of Milton, etc, seems minimal. I recently received the multi-CD set of BVRI from them and Milton and Lymington are not even in their drop down menu selection of Hants parishes !

Pretty disappointing, I can tell you.

Francis