Hillyard & Douglas Stuart

[Rosemary*]

Hello to all,

I am desperately searching for the birth of Hillyard Stuart .......( sleepless nights, shaking hands and now permanently cross eyed !! )

Here is all the information that I have .... most of which was found on Immigration papers from 1940 during the WW2 German Invasion in Jersey. Channel Islands and family heresay.

Hillyard Stuart - Born New Zealand... 8th. March 1873.

Wife of Hillyard Stuart =  Dorothy Mc Niven. Born... Auckland. New Zealand. 25th April 1893.
Dorothy was a widow to Arthur Groome.

1st son of Hillyard and Dorothy = Douglas Hillyard Stuart... Born Auckland. New Zealand.  6th March 1920. at No 4. Oraki Road. Auckland.

The family left NZ in 1921 (ish) - lived in Devon UK and finally settled in Jersey Channel Islands.

All BM's were lost many years ago.

There is a very small possibility that Hillyard could have been born in Australia ... but I do believe I have managed to eliminate that doubt by checking all Australian births... I have also checked and double checked all UK, Scottish and Irish births.. as a "just in case".

Hillyard and Dorothy must have married ( or not ?) any time between 1914 and 1921. Dorothy married Arthur Groome in 1913 and was widowed shortly after.

If some kind soul could find the reference number or confirm Douglas birth and I ordered his birth certificate ... Would it state Hillyards place of birth ?

What I am really after, is Hillyards place of birth and to find his birth certificate.

Can anyone help ?


    Kind regards         Rosemary








 



 

[Mk2_Zephyr]

Couldn't find the marriage, tried a few combos but no dice.

Will have a jack for the birth this arvo.   

[Rosemary*]

 Hi Mk2,


       Thank you so much for your interest !
I have a theory that maybe Hillyard and Dorothy never married .... just a hunch.
Hillyard would have been 47 and Dorothy 27 ... so it's a possibility that he already had a wife somewhere else !!!!.
Nobody knows why they went to the UK ... especially when everyone else were going in the other direction.
I am just hoping that a confirmation of Douglas's birth registration will turn up and shed a light on this mystery.

          Rosemary

[Mk2_Zephyr]

No Hillyard Stuart birth,
but an unnamed male Stuart was born in Dunedin in 1873.


Were all those details on the immigration paper ?

It should say on Douglas's birth cert where Hillyard was born.

[Mk2_Zephyr]

 No Douglas Stuart birth either, nor Douglas (Groome)


 Only one who seems to be,

  is Dot, born 1893, Hawkes Bay

 and Dorothy and the Groome marriage.

 No sign of the others so far.

 Sure Del might find some electoral info if you ask nice. 

[DelBoy]

Hi there

Ok...

Located the McNiven/Groome marriage
   
Year   1913
Folio   5888
Surname   GROOME
Given Names   Arthur
Sex   M
Spouse   McNIVEN, Dorothy

   
No Hillyard Stuart or Arthur Groome in 1893 Elec Roll.However majority of GROOME are in Hawkes Bay. No McNiven in Auckland 1893, 2 MacNiven in Hawkes Bay.
   
Cheers
Del

[Rosemary*]

  Thank you all for your help ...  it's really appreciated ... 


   Here's a little more information - just in case someone reads this posting and will relate to this brickwall.

 Hillyard Stuart arrived in the UK about 1921/22 with wife Dorothy (widow to Arthur Groome and maiden name McNiven ) bringing with them one child named Douglas Hillyard Stuart. They lived in Loddiswell. Higher Leigh. Devon. and then moved to Jersey Channel Islands.
During the German occupation Hillyard states that he and his family were from New Zealand.
He also stated on an affidavit that he was born 8th March 1873, and that Douglas was born at 4, Oraki Road, Auckland on the 6th. March 1920 - Also that he had retired from the Australian Navy on the 20th. February 1920.
I have not been able to prove any of the above.
All of Dorothy's history has been researched and all in order - till her relationship with Hillyard.

     ......... methinks I'm back to square 1 !

Just one more favor .. could someone just check if there is a birth of a Douglas McNiven in NZ 1920 ish. ?

    Again thanks for all the help


    Rosemary






 

[Alexmjsy]

I would be really interested to know any information that you are able to collect about the Stuart Family tree.  Hillyard Stuart would be my great, great grandfather.  I am the granddaughter of Gordon Stuart. Gordon Campbell Stuart married Janet Hutcheson, they had three children: Catherine, Duncan and Jane.  Catherine married Geoffrey Moxham and I am the youngest daughter of that marriage.

I know records and pictures have been found (of the Stuarts) at Societe Jerrias.

I am now married and living in Tucson AZ.  alexandra.mueller@gmail.com

[Rosemary*]

       Hi Alex,

            Pleased to meet you ! .. and thank you for responding to my postings.
It's now October and still no further with my Hillyard and Dorothy search... but I now have a copy of Hillyard's Jersey registration papers ... ( the one's mentioned in the previous messages), including a photo of Hillyard which seems to knock a theory that maybe he was a Maori who had changed his name.
            If you have a look on the "Immigrants" board - Blue Registration Form - in July of this year - you will see that I posted a query about these papers. ... I am now going to try ( never done it before ) to attach the image of this paper including his photo.

            Where to go next with this search ? ... Maybe to see if there is any living McNiven relative who could know something about the time Hillyard appeared in Dorothy's life.

            Please post me if you know anything

             Kind regards

            Rosemary