British Home Child - William Allen LAYFIELD

[osprey]

The mention of Hulme rang a bell
1901 census, 37 Dorset St, Hulme, South Manchester RG13/3703 folio 113 pg 29
Robert W Hodgson head mar 45 scavenging inspector Manchester Corporation b. Yorkshire, Ripon
+ wife Maria & 7 children
This looks like older brother Robert from reply 68, possibly Harriet was staying with them before going into workhouse. She must have been left with no means to look after her children after death of her husband.

Be careful with the William death as there was another Harriet/William couple, the ones with the son called Loftus. That William's death was registered sept qtr 1899 in Manchester. As the man we think is your William was a carter, he could have died away from home.

Withington was part of the Chorlton Union. This site is really informative and has pictures of Chorlton and the Styal Cottage Homes in the locations bit
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/

The birth registration for Walter is starting to look a bit dodgy which is a pity, unless it was a very late registration, but the death registration for Annie looks correct.

[J.J.]

Was poking about in the IGI and thought I'd look for the marriage ( extracted file) not that it is of any great significance at this stage....   J.J.
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
WILLIAM LAYFIELD & HARRIET PRESTON CALVERT HODGSON
January 29 1878  Saint Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire
 
 

[gemmee]

Hey, J.J.  GREAT--it's pretty significant to me!!!    I'm making a list to send to the registry office for copies...  I'm wondering when you order copies, are they copies of the original, or transcribed copies FROM the original.  I'm assuming that the marriage certificate would contain dates of birth, parents names, and places of residence at the time, wouldn't they?   Would just be good to have!

You gotta wonder what happened between the birth of their first child and the birth of William 12 yeas later---I mean, what did they use for birth control back then???  Then again, maybe there were miscarriages and stillborn babies....   

Oh, the mysteries of life!   Thanks for passing that along... gail

[J.J.]

That's actually what I was going to look for...but it was late...Here's what I found today, though...Looks as though this may be two of them, & they don't fit in with the other family...( H, is likely for Hodgens, as well...& Isabella after her mother)  
   
Kate Ann Layfield
B. April 5 1884   
Chr.  Oct.15 1884   St Peter'S, Church, Lancashire, England
   
Isabella Layfield
B. Sept 10 1887    Chr.  Nov. 7  1887   
St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire

to Parents William &  Harriet Layfield


Births June Q. 1884
Kate Ann Layfield  Liverpool  vol 8b  pge130
Births Dec. Q  1887
Isabella Layfield   Liverpool vol  8b  page 103

Deaths December Q 1886
Kate Ann H Layfield     age 2  Liverpool  vol 8b  page100
Deaths March Q 1888
Isabella  Layfield  age  0    Liverpool  vol  8b pge 120

Oh, and the copies are of the original certificates....You'll be very excited getting the very first one, then...it is a little piece of history and part of your puzzle right in your hands...   or am I the only goofball who thinks seeing this image is the neatest thing ever...
 

[J.J.]

Even though there is a large date range between the 1881 and the 1891, I have found only 2 possibilities for the father's birth so far...
and I'm betting on the second..due to the choice of Allen as first born and middle name for Wm...  It also matches closer to the liverpool death age 44 in 1891     


IGI listing for WILLIAM LAYFIELD
Chr. Sept 6 1840   Kirkby Fleetham, Yorkshire,
Parents: WILLIAM LAYFIELD & MARY

BMD Births Sept.Q 1840
William Layfield  Bedale vol.24  pge.339



Births Dec Q. 1846
William Layfield  Otley  vol.23  pge.412

IGI listing for WILLIAM LAYFIELD   
Chr.  Dec. 13 1846   Denton, Yorkshire

Parents ALLEN LAYFIELD & HARRIOT 


Plus Anne Margaret, sister to the Allan above, dies in Liverpool
Births June Q 1845
Ann Margaret Layfield  Otley  vol. 23  page 524
Deaths Dec. Q  1870
Ann Margaret Layfield age 25  Liverpool vol. 8b page 222

[J.J.]

Don't put these in your files or anything...all just maybes...

This is district in which son allan was born
Deaths Dec  1896
Allan Layfield  age 66  W. Derby  8b  314



Oh, my head...
BMD Marriage Dec. Q. 1842
Harriet CALVERT /  Allan LAYFIELD  Skipton   vol. 23 pge. 545


         
and I know it's not the same as your Harriet...but these names seems to
be used earlier with the Layfields...

BMD Deaths Dec. Q 1882
Harriet Preston LAYFIELD  57   Liverpool  vol. 8b  page 99

[gemmee]

oh, my head is right J.J.  ?!?   

I wonder does England have the same naming tradition as Scotland and Ireland---that's the only thing I can think which  would perpetuate all these same names!

Well, Kate and Isabella pretty much explain the gap between 1879 and 1891.  Thanks for that.

And, no you're not the only goofball... I never cease to be amazed how some of the smallest details get my motor running!!! It's like living in a time machine that takes you back to a time when those that were living then couldn't possibly imagine what they will have created for 100 years later.... I can't wait.... g.

[J.J.]

But those were PRIOR to the marriage.. and on the Layfield side...There were several Layfield families in Ripon as well...so there may even be some shared ancestry.  Which wasn't a big deal back then...(as Karen & I can attest to with looking into the forming of Canadian Settlements.)
J.J.

[J.J.]

Just reread and I saw the whole question   I'm a quick reader...slow thinker....  

Here's a list of what MAY be on the certs...
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/Certificates.html

But just because there is a space for an answer won't mean it will be helpful depends what is answered...
My husband's grandfather (on his marriage cert)...answered "DEAD" for father  ... Wasn't that such a big help?....      J.J.