British Home Child - William Allen LAYFIELD

[osprey]

what would you know - 2 couples called William & Harriet Layfield   

1891 11 Bratt St, Manchester RG12/3249 folio 82 pg 35
William Layfield head mar 36 gas labourer b. Yorks
Harriet wife 27 b. Yorks
Robert Dove son 5 b. Yorks
Loftus Layfield son 2 b. Manchester
Mary dau 5 months b. Manchester
so that family accounts for the Layfield/Dove marriage previously mentioned and possibly the death of William aged 45 in 1899. BUT, they're on the 1901 as well

1901 242 Collyhurst(?) Rd, Manchester RG13/3756 folio 20 pg 31
Harriet Layfield head widow 38 cork cutter b. Yorks, Leeds
Loftus son 12 b. Manchester
Mary dau 10 b. Manchester
Elizabeth dau 5 b. Manchester
Robert Gilbield lodger 38 labourer b. Manchester
So this Harriet was born Leeds, the one in Chorlton workhouse was born Ripon.

There's another couple in 1891
5 Warren St, Liverpool RG12/2913 foliio 128 pg 16
William Layfield head mar 45 drayman b. Yorkshire
Harriet wife 30 b. Yorkshire
Allen son 12 b. Liverpool  (transcribed as Alice!)

birth reg
Allan Hodgson Layfield dec qtr 1878 W Derby vol 8b pg 292

and marriage
William Layfield march qtr 1878 Liverpool vol 8b pg 122 with Harriet Preston C Hodgson on the same page

Possible births
William Layfield march qtr 1892 Liverpool vol 8b pg 103
and already given by Willow
Walter Layfield dec qtr 1898 Chorlton vol 8c pg 753

Haven't seen a death for William as yet, but as he's a drayman, might have been out of the area and had an accident. Can't see the couple in 1881 either, but will have another look.

[osprey]

Places of birth from 1881 no help at all
18 Kent Tce, Liverpool RG11/3616 vol 94 pg 44
Edward Davies head mar 32 carter b. Shrewsbury
Jane wife 37
Mary dau 2
Wm Layfield visitor mar 40 carter
Harriet wife 23
Allan son 2
all born Liverpool except where stated.

[gemmee]

Hmmm... things are heating up here... You guys have been busy.

I also found a birth for a Harriett Dove in www.RootsUK.com in the 1871 census... born 1863--a studentl... location Burnt Yates Yorkshire.  Was the only Harriet Dove even remotely close to my Harriet's b.d.  Couldn't see anything further. Does anyone have access to the RootsUK site? 

Well, I'm putting my money on William the Drayman---That son Allan very likely is gone from the home by 1901.  Collective memories in my dad's family only come up with a *potential* sister who died young from the fall from a rocking horse.. a brother who may be already gone doesn't remain long in the memory of a 9-yr old.
So that Harriet born Dec. 1898 does sound interesting--perhaps that's the sister--who would only be about 2 or 3 if she went to the home as well with the boys.  (I did ask the Archivist about the possibility of a Leighfield girl in the home at the same time).

The same William the Drayman and Harriet are the visitors to the Davies home in the 1881 census.

Thanks J.J., Osprey for all this.... A reply from the registry in Manchester this week could be interesting... Thanks

[J.J.]

Sorry, osprey  to send you on a wild goose chase...
So the surname Dove is out, then...as they were found on the 1901 as well... so we are probably not even looking for a William either then.

I did a search of Harriets born Ripon from 1863 to 1865 and put those names with layfield surname phonetic search on., looking for marriages...

Argh...I just looked now and the phonetic shmonetic search didn't even look for Leighfield... <<<<UGH>>>someone has a weird idea as to what phonetic means

So were there Harriet Layfields born 1863+- Ripon then, in 1891?

and sorry, gemmee, that little Harriet died within a few months...and may have belonged to the other family found on the 1891...

[osprey]

No need to apologise, JJ, it wasn't a wild goose chase, just eliminating possbilities. 

I wondered whether the William & Harriet in Liverpool were the right family, but couldn't find another entry for Harriet giving anything more specific than Yorkshire as a place of birth. It would be an odd family though, one son born 1879 and the next December 1891. Haven't spotted Harriet Hodgson earlier either, but she seems to age well - 23 in 1881 and 38 in 1901. There is a possbile registration
Harriet Hodgson sept qtr 1858 Ripon vol 9a pg 78
but that might be a coincidence.

I agree with you about the phonetic search, it doesn't seem to be dependable. Layfield seems to be the northern spelling, while southern counties go for Leighfield.

[osprey]

Sorry, I don't know Yorkshire well enough and missed this entry

1861 Laverton, RG9/3198 folio 41 pg 5 (Ripon would be registration district)
Daniel Hodgson head mar 38 farmer of 158 acres b. Dallowgill
Isabella wife 34 b. Yorkenthwaite Long? dale
Leonard son 9 scholar
Daniel son 7 scholar
Robert William son 5
Arthur Preston son 4
Harriet Preston Calvert dau 2
+ ag labs & servants
all children born Dallowgill

this looks a bit of a comedown
1871 Lord Derby Yard (immediately after Collyhurst Rd!), Manchester RG10/4054 folio 10 pg 13
Daniel Hodgson head mar 46 watchman b.Yorks, Kirkby Malzeard 
Isabella wife 44 b. Yorkenthwaite Lancastrothdale(?)
Leonard son 18 butcher
Harriet dau 12 scholar
Kate dau 6 scholar
all children b. Kirkby Malzeard

modified to correct year for the census

[osprey]

Well, well, look where they are in 1891   

1 Leaf St, Chorlton upon Medlock RG12/3189 folio 61 pg 52
Daniel Hodgson head mar 68 dairyman b. Kirkby Malzeard
Isabella wife 62 b. Yorks, Craven

death registrations
Isabella Hodgson 64 dec qtr 1891 Chorlton vol 8c pg 593
Daniel Hodgson 72 march qtr 1896 Chorlton vol 8c pg 547

Wonder whether Harriet moved to Chorlton to look after her elderly father?

[gemmee]

Just found another interesting tidbit--- was biding my time with William's wife Ethel's family (Bauder, Ontario,Canada) while I waited a reply from Manchester....

Came across a reference to a marriage in One World Tree of William Allen Layfield and Ethel  Bauder (no place or date for marriage) but it cited him as being born in Egham (parish) Surrey, England....  I have a picture of his gravesite, and on the back it says "Parish of St. Jude's in Background; Englefield Green"  isn't that in/near Egham Surrey?

[J.J.]

Sounds like pretty good sleuthing, Osprey, wish we could find some proof

I can't remember what the boy's had thought their sister's name may have been who died young....

Death Dec.Q. 1897   Mary Layfield  age: 3    Chorlton vol. 8c page 518
Death Dec. Q.  1900  Annie Layfield age: 3    Chorlton vol. 8c  page 453

William's war signup said he was born Manchester, Walter's said born Lancs...
Births December  Q. 1898   Walter Layfield    Chorlton  vol. 8c  page 753