Blakey family on 1851 census

[chilibear]

Hi,
I am trying to locate Charles and Hugh Blakey, born Horsley Woodhouse, ca 1845 (possibly twins) on the 1851 census.  I can find them in 1861, living with an uncle, William Ottwell and his wife Ann.  I can find William and Ann Ottwell in 1851, but Charles and Hugh are not with them.  Not sure what to do now.

Chilibear

[DS]

Hi chilibear

Confirmation that they were twins can be found in

Probable Birth Registration

1845 Belper JFM quarter 19 431

Charles Blakey
Hugh Blakey

DS

[yonderpeasant]

the page appears to be missing from the usual sources.Found it by transcript only.

Horsely woodhouse HO107 2144 fol307 sch 30.(near the  ottewells who are schedule 24)
Mary Blakey 37
Elizabeth       11
Charles         6
ann                1
that is all the detail I can give you but at least it gives you something to go on
I think you can buy the fiche if required.
Mary and Elizabeth can be found fairly easily on th 1841 but again it will not give you relationships.

[yonderpeasant]

it is possible that the little twins had lost most of  their family by the 1861.there are deaths for a Mary and an ann Blakey Belper on free bmd.There is a marriage for an elizabeth blakey also on free bmd

[DS]

 
Hi

Nice one yonder

Just checked on

http://www.familyhistoryonline.net/general/howto.shtml

but it only shows the index. However Hugh aged 6 is also with the other four family members

DS

[yonderpeasant]

sorry seem to have missed off poor little Hugh.Going absent again.Suppose the only way out is a birth cert.Am  begginning to feel sorry for these poor little fellows.Hope they got on ok afterwards.

[Princel]

Hi, I believe Hugh was my great great grandfather. I have his marriage certificate listing his father as what looks like "Charles Hugh", his birth certificate has no entry for his father - any clues on how I can trace him? Thanks - amazed that someone else appears to be tracing the same relative!

[chilibear]

Hi, this is really exciting.  I  thought I should look at this site again even though I have had no e-mail notifications of replies to my posts for months. Well what do I find but several replies.  Thanks to everyone for beavering away.

DS and yonderpeasant: Thank you for the info about the 1951 census and bmd.  I had spotted Mary and Elizabeth on 1841, but had no way of knowing if they were connected or not.  I also note that there is an Ann Blakey, aged 4 with William and Ann Ottwell in 1841; don't know who she is.  I also do not know how William is an uncle to Hugh and Charles.

Charles Blakey is the great grandfather of my mother-in-law.  Through the census records I have traced many descendants of Charles and his brother Hugh, so it appears that those two little boys survived and prospered at least in the sense of family if not wealth.

Princel, Where was Hugh born and married?  Am I correct in guessing that 1869 (O-N-D); Belper, Derbyshire; Vol. 7b; p. 874 is his marriage reference and that he married Sarah Mellor?  My next step was to order the birth and marriage certificates for Charles; I am not sure that these would give any more information than you have already.  I am not sure exactly what to do after that.  I guess that we have to look at Parish Records; I am just not sure where these would be for Horsley Woodhouse.

Any ideas?

Chilibear

[Princel]

Hi,
I've got Hugh's birth certificate, he was born 15/01/1845 at 4 o'clock PM at Horsleywoodhouse (the time indicates twins, I don't have Charles's cert., so I don't know which was older). Mother Mary Blakey registered the births, 'signed' with an X. Hugh married Sarah Mellor on 7th December 1869 in Horsley. His father is listed on the marriage certificate as Charles Hugh (so I guess that's where the twins' names came from!), who was a labourer. Charles was one of the witnesses who signed the register (I'm assuming that's his brother Charles rather than the father...?)

Hugh and Sarah had a son, Hugh 18th May 1873, who married Octavia Jane Woolley (b 13/07/1876) on 1st August 1898. They had 2 daughters Anne (known as Nance) and my grandmother, Winifred Mary (16/07/1903). Octavia died in 1905, as far as I can tell, this Hugh seems to have remarried at least twice (I remember my grandmother telling me she liked one of her stepmothers but not the other one), but I don't have any details of that.

I have a note that Charles married Elizabeth and had 5 children, but that's as far as I know for that bit of the family, so if you could fill in any of the details that would be great!

I haven't found any connection with the Ottwells, although they do appear in the Smalley one place study pages. Can't find our Blakeys on that site though...