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Re: Bollegraaf/ Bolegraaf to Isaacs name change
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 08 July 07 00:28 BST (UK) »


Ooh, sounds intriguing ! pm - is that 'private mail' ?

Haven't even started on my fathers side of the family yet and I'm exhausted. God knows what I'll unearth there !

I stay up way too late and moan the next day that I'm tired. My hubby tells me not to stay up too late every night but I can't help it.

Looking forward to your mail !

Laurie

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Re: Bollegraaf/ Bolegraaf to Isaacs name change
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 08 July 07 14:04 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I found this on the Dutch genlias site. It seems that the family lived mostly in hte province of Groningen. His profession changes from "sjouwer" = porter to is "Kramer", which means Pedlar, to Koopman = merchant.

Simon Izak Bollegraaf, died 07-03-1839 in Martenshoek, which is within the boundaries of the municipality of Hoogezand. He was 75 years old and it says that he was born in Amsterdam.

The name of his father is Izak Bollegraaf and his mother's first name is given as Marchien, but  no surname.  It also says that he was the husband of Hester Abraham Cohen.

You write the name of his son as Herman, but on Genlias it's always spelled as Heiman.

It also appears that the family also went back to Germany at times, because their son Abraham (son of Izak and Hester) was born in Rheinberg in Germany according to his marriage records.

You can find all this on Genlias but you need to decipher the Dutch.

If you would like me to look up some things for you, let me know.

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ANDERSON: Moray & Jamaica
ELDER: Stirlingshire, Perthshire & Glasgow
WILSON: Glenisla, Alyth & Dundee
GRANT & ATKINSON:Northumberland
HARRIS: Dron and Glasgow
MATSON: Glasgow and Belfast
OLIVER, HARDY & GIBSON: Ireland, Antrim Belfast
TODD: England and Jamaica
McGRIGOR, McILCHONNEL: Perthshire

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Re: Bollegraaf/ Bolegraaf to Isaacs name change
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 08 July 07 14:45 BST (UK) »
aghadowey and greenvalley, One learns so much on RC - many thanks to you both.
aghadowey, I'd not seen the Yad Vashem website.  Although I'd been aware that the mother/grandmother of dear friends of mine had perished in Theresienstadt, it still comes as a shock to read her name on that site.
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Re: Bollegraaf/ Bolegraaf to Isaacs name change
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 24 October 09 08:50 BST (UK) »
I just came across Tillyboo's 2007 queries about the name change of Herman Izak Bollegraaf to Herman Isaacs some time in the late 19th or early 20th centuries and the extensive response to them. Lots of interesting speculation there...

Let me add some facts to the (possibly now dead -- anyone listening out there?) discussion and fuel a little further speculation!

I am a grandson of Herman Isaacs. As I understand it, the story about him being forced to change his name to Isaacs (presumably by some British immigration official who did not like foreign names) has no documentary evidence to support it and some members of the Isaacs family in Australia dispute it with other variations.

I am certain of the following: I have seen a scan of his birth certificate and his name is Bollegraaf and so is that of his father.

I have also seen a scan of his certificate of marriage to Elizabeth Italiaander in London in 1903 and there his name definitely is Isaacs. When, where and why he changed his name between his birth in 1878 and his marriage in 1903 is as far as I know unknown.

It would be interesting if anyone had an earlier document (eg a British census document). We could then see what name he used.

Indeed I do not even know when he moved from the Netherlands to England or why.

Family scuttlebut has it that he met Elizabeth in London, but we do not know when and why she moved from Amsterdam to London or why. Given their common Jewishness and origin in Amsterdam it seems at least possible they had already met there.

Enlightenment would be great, as would a copy of the birth certificate of Elizabeth Italiaander!

Cheers
igeoff
Isaacs and Bollegraaf families (Australia 1911 on, London around 1900 to 1912. The Netherlands before that. Herman Isaacs (in London and AU), Herman Izak (in Netherlands)

Elizabeth Italiaander (b Amsterdam 1876) and her antecedents.

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Philip Cohen, her husband (born Latvia or Russia, died Sydney AU 1933) and their antecedents and families.


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Re: Bollegraaf/ Bolegraaf to Isaacs name change
« Reply #13 on: Monday 23 November 09 17:17 GMT (UK) »
Hi

I had another look at Genlias and found the following:

Source   Burgerlijke stand - Huwelijk
Archives   Groninger Archieven
General    Place: Groningen
Type: Wedding Document
Document number: 285
Date: 15-12-1839
Groom   Heiman Bollegraaf
DOB: 02-12-1814
Place of Birth: Hoogezand
Bride   Bloeme Koekkoek
DOB: 09-10-1817
Place of Birth: Groningen
Father groom   Simon Izaks Bollegraaf
Mother groom   Hester Abraham Cohen
Father Bride   Barend Benjamin Koekkoek
Mother bride   Heintje Jacobs
More info    Profession of groom, father groom and father bride: entrepreneur (koopman = seller of something)
groom 25 years; bride 22 years

Simon Izak Bollegraaf died 07-03-1839 aged 75 years in Martenshoek part of. Hoogezand

Hester Abraham Cohen died 26-03-1853 aged 82 in Martenshoek, part of Hoogezand, she was a widow and her husband came from Amsterdam

Heiman Bollegraaf died 08-03-1892, aged 77 in Martenshoek
Bloeme Koekkoek died 07-04-1903 aged 86 in Martenshoek

The name is always spelled as Heiman, not Herman, but I can't find a birth for Herman Isaacs. I wonder if they simply dropped the name because it was too difficult for te Brits to pronounce?

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ELDER: Stirlingshire, Perthshire & Glasgow
WILSON: Glenisla, Alyth & Dundee
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HARRIS: Dron and Glasgow
MATSON: Glasgow and Belfast
OLIVER, HARDY & GIBSON: Ireland, Antrim Belfast
TODD: England and Jamaica
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Re: Bollegraaf/ Bolegraaf to Isaacs name change
« Reply #14 on: Monday 23 November 09 21:19 GMT (UK) »
Hello, it's great that this discussion is still alive.

A bit more to add to the story ...

My Gt Grandmother, Leah, was Hermans sister. Leah's husband Alf Shou (Schau?) Eskildsen went to Australia to join the Australian Infantry but upon enlisting stated he was single and that his name was in fact Alf Edwards. Haven't a clue why he lied but he did later retract the false info and did cough up that he was married and had joined under a false name.

I came across a copy of a letter from Herman to Alf begging him to give himself up to the authorities, for what reason I do not know, otherwise Herman was going to have to pay Alf's debts, lose his home and basically be thrown out onto the street. It's a very sad and cross letter with Herman basically telling Alf he was a cad and when was he going to face his responsibilities, that he had a wife and child back in London and also that the whole affair was affecting his beloved Elizabeth.

Alf and Leah are a mystery, I am not sure that my Grandmother, Sarah, was in fact Alf's daughter as on the birth certificate the father is left blank. Did Alf get Leah pregnant, leave her on her own and then come back later and marry Leah or was he a stepfather to Sarah.

Alf died of blood poisoning on a hospital ship in Plymouth after being hit by shrapnel in 1918. I have visited his grave at Plymouth Cemetry which was very moving as my mum could see her mum (Sarah) and Grandmother (Leah) names on the headstone.

Any more info about Leah or Alf would be very welcome  :)

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Re: Bollegraaf/ Bolegraaf to Isaacs name change
« Reply #15 on: Monday 23 November 09 23:12 GMT (UK) »
This is more a reply to greenvalley's's post today than to the most recent one about Alf from tillyboo.

However, I really would like to hear from tillyboo outside this discussion,but haven't been using this forum long enough to know how to do so -- over to you tillyboo.

Firstly, I am a grandson of Herman Isaacs. He is NOT descended from Heiman, but from Jacob Simons, an older son of Simon Isaac Bollegraaff.

I now have several ORIGINAL documents relating to names.

Firstly Herman Izak's birth certificate (photostat of the Dutch original, which someone got from the Amsterdam Burgerlijke Stand, whose archives are NOT on the web) makes NO mention of the name Bollegraaf. His father is given as Saloman Izak and his mother Saartje Frank.

Second, the 1901 Census of England and Wales has Herman Izak and his future wife Elizabeth Italiaander by exactly those names. Again no mention of Bollegraaf. No name change at all so far.

Herman married in 1903 (I have a copy of the certificate) as Herman Isaacs (A simple anglicizing of Izak).

That's it. I have lots on his coming to Australia, life there etc, but no name change.

Now, back to the line of descent. We have Herman Isaacs (Izak) is the son of Salomon Izak who is the son of Jacob Simons who may be Izaak or Bollegraaf: I have no primary source.

His father was Simon Isaac, who was also the father of Heiman.

On 26 May 1812, obeying the new Napoleonic Law obliging everyone to have a surname, Simon Isaac took the surname Bollegraaff (yes, two fs, but given the contemporary attitude to spelling this does not matter). I have a copy of the name taking certificate in front of me. It is dated before Heiman's birth, so he does not appear on it. Six other children do.

It says (in 19th century Dutch of course) that, in accordance with the law, these children too should bear the name Bollegraaff (Heiman, too and any other later issue presumably).

Looking at the descendants of the various lines on the tree it would appear that most, if not all of the children did this. Hence all the Bollegraafs.

I have some doubts about Jacob Simons (in my line of descent), because his son Salomon and HIS son Herman seem to have used the surname Izak. When I get to Holland next year, or perhaps via the Groningen archives, which are on line, I will check this.

To summarize, however, the original issue was how Herman Izak Bollegraaf became Herman Isaacs. I believe the answer is that he never was Bollegraaf. The only change was Izak to Isaacs.

Cheers
Geoff
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Elizabeth Italiaander (b Amsterdam 1876) and her antecedents.

Jessie Crown (born probably Lithuania, died in Sydney AU in 1952)
Philip Cohen, her husband (born Latvia or Russia, died Sydney AU 1933) and their antecedents and families.

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Re: Bollegraaf/ Bolegraaf to Isaacs name change
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 24 November 09 15:04 GMT (UK) »
Amsterdam archives :

death registration Amsterdam 25 March 1755
Engelbart  Bollegraaf.

Also a search warrant for  Samuel Bollegraaf dated 14 January 1870.
This police record was kept with a passport photograph of released prisoners to keep track of them
Amsterdam Police
You can buy and find the record here:
https://stadsarchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/archiefbank/indexen/signalementenregister/handleiding/index.nl.html

https://stadsarchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/archiefbank/indexen/doopregisters/zoek/search.nl.pl?v1=&b1=&a1=bollegraaf&r1=0&v2=&b2=&a2=&r2=0&d1=&m1=&y1=&d2=&m2=&y2=&rs=0&x=53&y=4


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Re: Bollegraaf/ Bolegraaf to Isaacs name change
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 24 November 09 15:07 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

I am sorry if I upset anyone. I didn't mean to interfere, was just trying to help.

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ANDERSON: Moray & Jamaica
ELDER: Stirlingshire, Perthshire & Glasgow
WILSON: Glenisla, Alyth & Dundee
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MATSON: Glasgow and Belfast
OLIVER, HARDY & GIBSON: Ireland, Antrim Belfast
TODD: England and Jamaica
McGRIGOR, McILCHONNEL: Perthshire