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1861 census Rose Virginia Bessell /father?
« on: Tuesday 26 June 07 22:38 BST (UK) »
Hi, Can anybody help to solve the mystery of Rose Bessell.

Born Rose Virginia Bessell Sept qtr 1852 Lambeth (no cert yet)
Married Alfred James Rudgley 1871 St.James the Great Bethnal Green (Cert)

Father given as William Bessell Druggist
Witnesses G.Bessell & Elizabeth Bessell

1861 Census ?

1871 census Rose V Bessell age 18 born Southwark
Father John Fishmonger 44 born Hoxton *
Mother Rose  43 born Kingsland
Plus siblings

1881 census Rose Rudgley 28 born Shoreditch

1881 Edward J Bessell 54 Carman born Hoxton
Rose 53 born Kingsland
Plus siblings that more or less match 1871 * see John

1891 Census Rose Rudgley 38 born Southwark

1901 Census Clara Rudgley 48 born Homerton

To muddy the waters further there is a George & Elizabeth Bessell on the 1881 census his occupation is Packer for Druggist, Could this be the witnesses?

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Re: 1861 census Rose Virginia Bessell /father?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 26 June 07 23:20 BST (UK) »
1861
Only one Rose V showing father Edward J ( fishmonger ) and mother Rose A.
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Re: 1861 census Rose Virginia Bessell /father?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 26 June 07 23:32 BST (UK) »
There is a marriage qrt ending June 1849

Edward John Bessell
West London
Vol 2
Page 266


There is a possible spouse of Rose A Turner

Sometimes he called himself John and sometimes Edward

 ??? ???

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Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson.
Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter
Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler
Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter
London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards
Italy: Gioffredi

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Re: 1861 census Rose Virginia Bessell /father?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 26 June 07 23:38 BST (UK) »
I think you need to see that birth certificate
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Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson.
Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter
Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler
Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter
London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards
Italy: Gioffredi

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Re: 1861 census Rose Virginia Bessell /father?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 27 June 07 19:13 BST (UK) »
Hi, Thank you for all your help.
Irret, Have you got a ref. for the 1861 census you have found please.

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Re: 1861 census Rose Virginia Bessell /father?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 27 June 07 20:01 BST (UK) »
No problem coming up. :)
Source RG9/314/86/14
1861 Surrey  Southwark St Saviour Gravel Lane
Edward J Bessell head 34 fishmonger
Rosa A wife 33
Henry E son 10
Rose V daughter 8
Edwin C 9 ( could be 7)
Alfred W 5
Matilda 2
Arthur R 3 months
All born London Middlesex
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Re: 1861 census Rose Virginia Bessell /father?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 17 August 08 16:20 BST (UK) »
I think the witnesses to Rose's marriage are her brother George b.1849-1895 and his wife Elizabeth (Gill) Bessell

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Re: 1861 census Rose Virginia Bessell /father?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 17 August 08 19:50 BST (UK) »
Hello Brian, are you related or just browsing?

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Re: 1861 census Rose Virginia Bessell /father?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 18 August 08 11:48 BST (UK) »
Hi Jennifer
My G GM was Caroline Bessell, 2nd G granddaughter of John George who was also Rose's 2nd G GF. Caroline's father was Mowbray Bessell b. 19 Sep 1803 Mitcham, Surrey d.9 May 1865, Wollongong, NSW and his father Capt Charles Bessell b. 1767 London d.23 May 1845 Peckham, London and his father was the above John George Bessell b.abt 1738 London d. Mar 1796 London Road, London.  The family originated in Mitcham, Surrey where some of Capt Charles' offspring were born.

I do have details of the wider Bessell descendants if anyone needs further information.

Brian
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