1861 census Rose Virginia Bessell /father?

[jennifer c]

Hello  Brian,

Do you have any information on Rose V?

I can not understand who her father was. Was it William a druggist,John a fishmonger or Edward?

Rose V was my maternal Gt.Gmother.

Jennifer

[exozguy]

Hi Jennifer

In my tree I have Rose's father as Edward John Bessell b.1827 City Road, Hoxton, London he married Rose Anne Turner (b.1828 Kingston, Middlesex) 3 Apr 1849 St Bride's Fleet Street, London.  Other Bessell researchers also have the same father. Edward and Rose had 10 children, do you have their names?

Rose and Alfred Rudgeley had 8 children, do you have their names?

I have Edward John's father, GF, G GF if you need them.

Regards
Brian

[jennifer c]

Hi, I have eight children documented:-

Henry
Rose
Edwin
Alfred
Matilda
Arthur
Edward
Walter

I did not have any  knowledge of a George and obviously one other?

Of the Rudgley's I am aware of :-

Rose c.1871
Alfred 1/2/1873 (my gt.gf) married Rosina Stevens
Walter c.1876
Eleanor c.1878
Annie Kathleen 4/8/1888 married Charles Henry Williams

If you can fill the gaps I would please to have any information.

Jennifer

[exozguy]

Hi Jennifer

I have 10 childrfen for Edward and Rose:

George b. 1849 m. Elizabeth Gill 1870 Shoreditch 2nd qtr, he died 1895:
                                         Elizabeth Rose b. 1871 d.1871 Shoreditch
                                         Edward John b.3 May 1872 Shoreditch d. 1873 4th qtr Shoreditch
                                         Ellen b. 9 Jan 1874 Hoxton London m. Walter Frederick Carter 1894 Bethnal Green Dec qtr:
                                                                         Ellen Elizabeth 1896 Bethnal Green
                                                                         Frederick G 1899            do
Edward H b.1851 d. bef 1861 (not in census)
Hernry E b. 1851 London d. 1868 Islington Mar qtr
Rose Virginia b. 1852 Shoreditch Dec qtr  married Alfred Rudgeley 1871 Bethnal Green Dec qtr:

     3 more children to those you listed:
                                                             Clara b. 1883 Bethnal Green
                                                             Eliza b. 1887        do
                                                             Edwin b. 1890       do
Edwin C b. 1854 Southwark, married  Annie Abram (b. 1857 London City)  1879 Hackney 3rd qtr:
                                                 Arthur Lionel b. 1877 Mar qtr, d. 1st qtr Islington 1924
Alfred William b. 1856 Southwark  Jun qtr.
Matilda b. 1859 Southwark Mar qtr d. 1868 Shoreditch Mar qtr
Arthur Robert b. 1861 Southwark Mar qtr died 1922 Dec qtr Shoreditch Married Charlotte M Lanceman 17 Apr 1881 St Thomas   Parish  Church, Bethnal Green, she died 1918. 4 children:
                                                                                                      Charlotte J b. 1884 Bethnal Green
                                                                                                      Alice Beatrice b. 12 Dec 1885 Shoreditch

[exozguy]

Hi Jennifer

I have 10 childrfen for Edward and Rose:

George b. 1849 m. Elizabeth Gill 1870 Shoreditch 2nd qtr, he died 1895:
                                         Elizabeth Rose b. 1871 d.1871 Shoreditch
                                         Edward John b.3 May 1872 Shoreditch d. 1873 4th qtr Shoreditch
                                         Ellen b. 9 Jan 1874 Hoxton London m. Walter Frederick Carter 1894 Bethnal Green Dec qtr:
                                                                         Ellen Elizabeth 1896 Bethnal Green
                                                                         Frederick G 1899            do
Edward H b.1851 d. bef 1861 (not in census)
Hernry E b. 1851 London d. 1868 Islington Mar qtr
Rose Virginia b. 1852 Shoreditch Dec qtr  married Alfred Rudgeley 1871 Bethnal Green Dec qtr:

     3 more children to those you listed:
                                                             Clara b. 1883 Bethnal Green
                                                             Eliza b. 1887        do
                                                             Edwin b. 1890       do
Edwin C b. 1854 Southwark, married  Annie Abram (b. 1857 London City)  1879 Hackney 3rd qtr:
                                                 Arthur Lionel b. 1877 Mar qtr, d. 1st qtr Islington 1924
Alfred William b. 1856 Southwark  Jun qtr.
Matilda b. 1859 Southwark Mar qtr d. 1868 Shoreditch Mar qtr
Arthur Robert b. 1861 Southwark Mar qtr died 1922 Dec qtr Shoreditch Married Charlotte M Lanceman 17 Apr 1881 St Thomas   Parish  Church, Bethnal Green, she died 1918. 4 children:
                                                                                                      Charlotte J b. 1884 Bethnal Green
                                                                                                      Alice Beatrice b. 12 Dec 1885 Shoreditch d.1940 m.  Frederick       Johnson 27 Aug 1905 St Pauls, Haggerston, London child: Jessie Dorothy b. 4 Nov 1914 Haggerston d. 2 Oct 1986 Harringay
                                                                                                      Henry b. 1891 Shoreditch Mar qtr
                                                                                                      Ruby b. 1900 Mar qtr Shoreditch
Edward John b.1863 Shoreditch m. Eliza Annie Cheese (b. 1866 3rd qtr Shoreditch) 1885 Jun qtr Bethnal Green.
                                       8 children:
                                                       Edward John b. 1885 Hoxton  d. 1924 London m. Unknown 1908 3rd qtr Hackney
                                                       Edwin Charles b. 1887 4th qtr Shoreditch m. Unknown 1910 4th qtr Hackney
                                                       Charles b. 1888 Shoreditch
                                                       George Henry b. 1889 4th qtr Shoreditch
                                                       Henry William b. 1892 Shoreditch m. Rose Brandon Jun 1911 Shoreditch
                                                       Valentine Ernest b. 1892 1st qtr Shoreditch
                                                       Percy Victor b. 1896 1st qtr /bethnal Green
                                                       Rose Florence b. 1900 3rd qtr Stoke Newington
Walter b. 1867 3rd qtr Shoreditch m. Emily Harvey (b. 1868 Newport, Essex) 1888 3rd qtr Bethnal Green,
                                                      4 children:
                                                      Emily b. 1889 Shoreditch
                                                      Walter b. 1891 3rd qtr Shoreditch
                                                      Henry George b. 1893 2nd qtr Shoreditch
                                                      Frederick John b. 1897 1st qtr Fulham.


Edward John's father was George Bessell b.1797 London m. Martha Jacobs (b. abt 1800, d.1847 Stepney 1st qtr) 30 Dec 1818 Christ Church, Greyfriar's, Newgate, London.  7 children:
                                                                         Unknown male Bessell abt 1820
                                                                         Charles Mowbray George b. 1821 London d. bef 1901 m. Grace Johnstone (b. 3 Aug
                                                                         1812 Cripplegate) 5 Dec 1848 St Brides, Fleet St. 2 children:
                                                                                                            Elizabeth Grace b. 12 May 1851 Holborn d. 1856 Hackney 1st
                                                                                                            qtr
                                                                                                            George b. 1859 Battersea m.Elizabeth Spencer


Jennifer~ if I continue typing will be here for hours as I have so many descendants of George and his father George that if I knew how to insert a report I could give you all the names ??email to you.  See there is an 'insert image' so that might do the trick!

Brian (will return when I work it out!)

[lyn crocker]

Hi Mowbray Bessell postings, I am helping my friend research the Bessell family as Mowbray Bessell is her 3 x gr grandfather & would love to get any help with some info that you have on the family. Hope to hear from anyone, many thanks Lynette Crocker Australia