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Re: I can't find my Grandad - no birth?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 24 June 07 15:47 BST (UK) »
I have managed to speak to a great Aunt, sister in law to my Grandmother. My Grandfather was always called Harry but is Henry on wedding and death certificate. His father, Joseph had a brother, father to Sybil and Albert (I have sent for Sybil's marriage certificate so should get the father's name) Albert and Sybil were both married in Flintshire so I assume that Joseph and brother moved to the area when their children were small.
Henry was married to a wife name unknown and had sons Cyril and Fred, Cyril also lived in Garden City.
I think I am stuck until I find Albert & Sybil's father to ascertain which Joseph Robinson is my great Grandad

Thanks for all of your help so far
Cant, Walton, Curry, Featherstone: Durham
Robinson: Staleybridge
Groom/Rider: Saltney, Chester
Wood, Harvey: West Ham

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Re: I can't find my Grandad - no birth?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 24 June 07 16:51 BST (UK) »
Welcome!

Lets go back to square one - we are taking his birth details from his death cert. he was dead, so they are only as reliable as the knowlege of the person who gave them. Who registered his death? Was it a close rellie, or someone more distant who may not have been so accurate?

The details we have are name Henry, place Staleybridge, date 27 Sep1897

but it seems this combination ar not tying up. So one of these three facts must be incorrect.
Re: name - this is consistant with marriage, so looks right at this stage. Have you got birth certs of any of his children, if so do they also give Henry as name?
Re: Place - You say Staleybridge makes sense, and it is specific enough for someone registering the death to have definitely known it. May be wrong, who knows.
Re: date - this is the most likely to be out by a few years, it is so often found on death certs. The person registering it may not be sure ("his birthday was 27th Sept and he was ... oh ... early 80's ish.....) or the deceased may have led people to believe he was older or younger than he actually was.
What age is given on his marriage cert? Does that tie in with the birth?

So - it may be worth widening your search date wise for his birth

Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: I can't find my Grandad - no birth?
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 24 June 07 16:58 BST (UK) »
Also these birth might be worth looking at:

James Henry Robinson Oct/Nov/Dec 1896 Ashton under Lyme ref 8a 573

Samuel Henry Robinson Jul/Au/Sep 1898 Ash u L 8a 595

in case he dropped the James or samuel at an early age. However, neither fits in with a January birthday
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: I can't find my Grandad - no birth?
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 24 June 07 17:28 BST (UK) »
His death on 5th September 1970 at City Hospital, Chester was registered by his son, Philip James, my Father (5th November 1940 - 16th October 1977)

His marriage certificate states Henry, 41 years, widower, father as Joseph Robinson and is dated 2nd August 1938, witness is his cousin (Joseph's brother's daughter) Sybil Grace Robinson. I have ordered her wedding certificate to see what her father's name was so that I can maybe find Joseph and his brother on a census together.
Cant, Walton, Curry, Featherstone: Durham
Robinson: Staleybridge
Groom/Rider: Saltney, Chester
Wood, Harvey: West Ham


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Re: I can't find my Grandad - no birth?
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 24 June 07 20:52 BST (UK) »
Hi

Do you know if your grandfather had any siblings? It may be possible to narrow the search down that way.

Secondly, have you considered the entry for:
 Harry Robinson b. Jan-Mar qtr 1897 in Ashton (under lyme) district [which includes stalybridge]

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Re: I can't find my Grandad - no birth?
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 24 June 07 21:32 BST (UK) »
I may be confirming the obvious but my father 'George Henry Caswell' was known by everyone a 'Harry', or at least by the grownups. :)

Harry is a very common short form of Henry and many nicknames come from a middle name. My brother had to live with 'Muddy' because his middle name is 'Murray' :) :(

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Drury - Middlesex(Kensington), Shropshire(Oswestry/Selattyn)
Turner - Dorset(Parkstone)
Speight - Essex(Braintree), Kent(Gravesend), Westmorland(Kendal)
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Re: I can't find my Grandad - no birth?
« Reply #15 on: Monday 25 June 07 21:03 BST (UK) »
Hi again Rusty,

I think we are starting to get somewhere here. Siblings from the first marriage is a guide we can use to trace the name of his first wife.

Do you know their date of birth or near age to trace D.O.B? From this we can trawl for a common surname for the mother to obtain a date for the first marriage, so long as both births occurred after Q3 1911 which I'm sure they did.

I have a strong hunch your grandfather was 4 or 5 years older than he claims.

I know its already been asked, but do you have any photo's of him in WW1 uniform or records of some kind?
UK Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
General Information relating to villages of JACKSDALE, PYE HILL & WESTWOOD Notts
Cheshire - TAYLOR, HEAPY, KNOWLES, HAMPSON, CLAYTON, STONIER, PRITCHARD, NADIN, GALLIMORE
Staffs - HEAPY
Devon - CLIFT, VITTERY, TRIST, MOLLOY, COBLEY, LEAR, GUILFOYLE, BICKFORD, EPPS, BEAZLEY, DARKE, LANG, QUANT, BLANKENSHIP
Devon & Cornwall - CLIFT, LARK
Somerset -Frome -HEAPY
Derbys/Notts- COCKAYNE, PHEASEY, KNOWLES

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Re: I can't find my Grandad - no birth?
« Reply #16 on: Monday 02 July 07 03:21 BST (UK) »
Hi Rusty

I had this problem and couldn't see the obvious for months: 

Was your grandfather born before his parents were married so
therefore registered in his MOTHER'S name?

Mine was, and when I found out, the "duh, of course!!!" reaction was
profound!!!!

Good luck!!

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