missing info Dundee around 1880???

[greenvalley]

Hi,

In my tree I have Charles  Charles Simpson WILSON, born 11 September 1843 in Liff and Benvie  – corn merchant, who married Jessie JESSIMAN on 19 March 1867, when he was 24 years old and she's the same age.

Their children are
Georgianna Jessiman WILSON, born 27 January 1868 in Monifieth
Charles WILSON , born 1st June 1869 in Monifieth
Eric Anderson WILSON, born 12th July 1870 in Rosebank Cottage  in Broughty Ferry
John Jessiman WILSON, born 10th June 1871 in Rosebank Cottage  in Broughty Ferry

Jessie dies on 18th May 1880 – the cause of death reads “probably an overdose of alcohol”. The death was registered by Helen D Jessiman, her sister, who was living at 137 Seagate - this appears the be the house that belongs to George JESSIMAN, wood merchant and the father of Jessie.

On the 1881 census the children are living with the grandfather. In 1891 Georgina is staying with her aunt Agnes Anderson in Elgin - I even found Georgina's marriage to Robert Thompson in 1896.

But I can't find Charles WILSON her husband anywhere. he didn't register her death, so maybe he died before her. But if he did it's not registered on Scotlandspeople.

The boys also disappear after 1881, although in his will in 1897 George JESSIMAN names Georgina  (leaves her £100) but also makes provisons for "the children of my deceased daughter Jessie."

So where are they? I mean, it's not as if I could make a spelling mistake with the surname or anything. Which leads me to my question if anyone knows if there are missing records in Dundee from 1870 to 1900?

Greenvalley

[sporran]

Hello Greenvalley,


nothing positive to add, sorry to say, but I did not want you to think that you were being ignored.

Although some census books were lost or damaged, as far as I know all BMDs are complete, subject to the information being recorded in the first place.

Like you, I found no records for Charles Wilson after 1871 or for his sons after the 1881 census.  On Jessie's death in 1880, she was recorded as "married to Charles Wilson", and on Georgina's marriage in 1896 she records her father as deceased.  This could imply that the informants had some knowledge of his whereabouts.

Jessie has 4 children in very quick succession until 1871.  Although there is the possibility of a medical problem, my suspicion is that Charles left the family.  His wife's sister (Helen) being informant to her death, and the children being with Helen and their grandfather in 1881 reinforces that view.  I can find no sign of Charles or the boys in England or Wales, so Ireland or abroad seem possibilities, unless they changed their surname.

The wording of the will, naming Georgina but making provisions for the other children, suggests that they were not in touch.  This may remain a brick wall.


Regards,

John

[tidybooks]

Hi Greenvalley and sporran,

Not too much more than you have already but I was in the NAS, and done a search on charles wilson 1871-1881 and got 2hits, but the NAS site is hanging, I cannot download the info, maybe nothing but does mention corn merchant. Give it a go later.

Tom

[tidybooks]

Hi  greenvalley,

Here are the 2 items regarding your Charles Wilson, apparently it was the sequestartion process that started. It says Start date: 22/05/1871. Not sure what th acutual documents will tell you.

Details  CS318/15/447  Charles Wilson, Dundee, Forfarshire, Corn merchant  1872  Open 
Details  CS318/18/337  Charles Wilson, Dundee, Forfarshire, Corn merchant  1875  Open 

Tom

[greenvalley]

Hi Sporran and Tidybooks,

thank you very much for that info. I didn't know about the bankruptcy.

I still find it baffling that he seems to have left his family or that the boys completely disappear from view as well.

He has some brothers living in Dundee and a sister in Elgin and ther are all reasonably well off. Mind you, one of the other brothers, James, a produce commission agent also disappears after the 1871 Census with his family.

The info I have on him is:

James WILSON, born 1 March 1831 – produce commission agent, married Annie Noble SIMPSON on 16 January 1866 in the Episcopal Church in Fordyce, Banff. He was 35 and she was 30. At the time James was living at 4 Craigie Street in Dundee. Annie is the daughter of a retired farmer Ferguson SIMPSON and Ann NOBLE, living at Kilnhillock, parish of Fordyce. Witnesses were Charles Wilson and John Murray.
The children of James and Annie are:
Annie Noble Simpson born 1867 in Dundee
James born 1868 in Dundee
Agnes Eliza Noble 11 January 1870 in Dundee
Tomina Margareta 27 March 1871 in Dundee
Caroline Ferguson 14 March 1872 in Dundee
In 1871 the family is living at 3 Craigie Bank Terrace and Tomina hasn’t been named yet, as she’s only a few days old. But I’ve been unable to find the family after this. Annie’s mother is staying with them and they couple employ 2 house servants.

Maybe they all went abroad, 's just a shame that they'll be virtually impossible to find.

Greenvalley

[cowleydove]

This has to be just a quick post as I am pressed for time. John Jessiman Wilson was my grandfather. He died just before I was born in 1951.  He married Alice Cookes who was Agnes Anderson's (nee Wilson) grandaughter in Sao Paulo, Brazil. He worked his entire career for the Bank of London and South America in Rio de Janeiro from the 1890s until the late 1920s. He retired back to London and eventually to the Isle of Wight. Interestingly, the last cottage he lived in, on the Isle of Wight, was called Seagate. He had six daughters (one died very young). My mother was the youngest. My aunt, Helen Jessiman Middleton-Smith, was the last daughter to die. She died on December 22, 2010 at the age of 100. I would be glad to share more information with you as soon as I can.
Steve Dove
Canada

According to our family oral history, Charles Wilson, my great grandfather, abandoned his family and emigrated to the United States. He died on August 21, 1895 in Morgan City, Louisiana, USA (near New Orleans). I have attached two photos of my grandfather

[greenvalley]

Hi Steve,

Nice to meet you. You are related to my husband. Charles Wilson, your great grandfather was a brother of his great grandfather, so you're distant cousins. Always forget how many times removed.

John Jessiman Wilson and Alice Cookes were related, did you know that? Agnes Anderson was the sister of Charles Wilson, father to John and she was the grandmother of Alice.

If you post a few more replies we can send a personal message with an email address and I will be happy to share the Wilson information I have.


Greenvalley

[greenvalley]

I got an email stating that this topic has been split into two, but I can't find the post. When I click on either link it gets me to this topic.

What am I doing wrong?

Greenvalley

[ev]

Hi Greenvalley ,

I believe a post to this topic was removed as it contained too much information about the 1911 England Census , and that led to the split post notification.
We are not allowed to give full details for that Census(only what is available from free searches).

ev